Kucinich endorses Ron Paul

El_Kabong wrote:

no, i got that from your own words...when i asked you what makes you want to vote for obama instead of saying you liked his stance on a, b or c you came w/ this little gem:
"Cause I dont like Hillary and Edwards... simple."

now, that is a joke!

Did I give you the reason's I dont like them? No... again you are ASSuming things you know nothing about...

El_Kabong wrote:

ALWAYS voting to renew the patriot act, voting AGAINST capping credit card rates at 30% (I wonder if him receiving a good bit of $ from the credit card lobbyists has anything to do w/ it??) saying he wouldn't be against using nukes on Iran, being heavily funded by the nuclear lobby (which he passes off as "green" energy! haaa!), only giving real support to pro-iraq war politico's, at one point saying we need to stay in Iraq to defeat the insurgency and even then leave a permanent presence there.....

might as well vote republican, not much difference in him or many of the dems from what i can see

so, what makes you want to cast your vote for Obama? b/c the media told you he was electable?

RE:The credit card bill. Obama voted against sprinkling sugar on shit, then voted against the shit itself. He also stated in unequivicable terms that he will not use nukes against terrorists (at the time, it was called a gaff) - though no president takes nukes completely off the table (even Kucinich would have access to the button were he to win).

Seriously - no president has nuked a country since Truman, not even Reagan. But no president has taken it completely off the table, either.

And he's also said that there will be no permanent bases in Iraq under his administration. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/obama_absolutely_positively_and_completely_rules_out_permanent_bases_in_iraq.php

I'm not too concerned with the nuclear power thing.

So, no, he's not a radical. If that's the biggest beef against him, then I'm o.k. with that.

MasterFramer wrote:

Did I give you the reason's I dont like them? No... again you are ASSuming things you know nothing about...

i think you just can't back it up...if you don't want to say what stances you support of his, if you even know any, (notice the IF, therefor no ASSumption) then just say so...but i asked you what makes you want to vote for him and you can only say b/c he's not the other 2 corporate candidates of the Dems....if you don't want ppl to ASSume simply say what, other than his name, you like about him

MasterFramer wrote:

I believe you were the one that made the first ASSumption buddy.

Hmm...let's see here. You said you would NEVER vote for a republican which is pretty much cut and dry. What that statement means is you won't ever vote for a republican regardless of the message...now, I don't know what you are getting at, but I wasn't assuming anything there. I was merely looking at what you yourself said.

RainDog wrote:

So, no, he's not a radical. If that's the biggest beef against him, then I'm o.k. with that.

If radical means something different from the same old shit we've been plagued with for years in our govt then I'm all for a 'radical' candidate because this old, tired path we've been using is only leading us off a cliff. I refuse to follow it anymore.

Steve Dunne wrote:

well look what the cat dragged in!!!

welcome back abook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that darned cat, always meowing at the door.

thanks

MasterFramer wrote:

Yep you've got it... pile it on fuckers...

well, you could give an actual reason, other than he's not a republican and not edwards or clinton

I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon.

Also, I'm suprised no one has brought up how so many of Kucinich and Paul's stances are so opposing. I think though, that the admiration comes from both of them being authentic and true to themselves...a beautiful and rare trait (esp in politics).

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon.

i'm just glad you and kabong are back.....the mt has been somewhat boring as of late.....:)

as for kucinich/paul ticket.......i thought about this many months ago and i'm glad that both dennis and ron have/are considering this.....:)

El_Kabong wrote:

he was talking pretty aggressive about iran, and didn't he say a year or so ago that the reason we needed to keep a permanent presence in iraq was so iran and syria knew we were serious?? it's not that he just said he would keep all options open, he was aggressive in his talk.

also your sugar on shit doesn't make sense, in that analogy isn't the cap on interest rates the sugar? or are you saying he voted against credit card interest rates?? b/c he voted to have NO cap on the shit/interest rates

you're ok w. his constant renewal of the patriot act?

there's a nice thread about his advisors (who are pretty aggressive themselves) on the first page if you wanna take a look

There are a lot of things about every candidate, major or minor, that I'm not exactly O.K. with. While I'm not completely O.K. with the renewal of the patriot act, it's not unusual for Senators to reach compromises (and is the main reason Senators don't usually make for good candidates).
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/

Yes, by my analogy, the interest rate cap was the 'sugar.' I believe, and I think I heard this from him before, but I'm a little busy at work to do an extensive search, but I believe the reason he voted against the 30% cap was because it was too high, and he didn't want it sweetening a bill he didn't want to see passed. Instead, he proposed his own Credit Card Bill of Rights:

"Obama’s proposed bill of rights for credit card holders would make credit card companies give their customers the option to drop out of an agreement should the credit card company decide to increase interest rates. The proposal would also restrict companies from raising interest rates on past balances and would also prohibit companies from charging interest rates on normal transaction fees."
http://www.thriftyscot.com/132/122007/senator-obama-hails-credit-card-bill-of-rights.html

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

The aggressive talk about Iran (I didn't consider it that aggressive, but I see what you're saying), was just tough for a tough situation. He did oppose the Kyl-Lieberman bill declaring the Iranian military a terrorist organization (though he wasn't in Washington when the last minute vote was called - and I do think that was a mistake).

He is what he is - a moderate-left Democrat running for president. He has been and will get criticized from both the right and the left in this country simply because he's not 100% socialist nor 100% "kill da bastads that look at us cross-eyed."