well, you could give an actual reason, other than he's not a republican and not edwards or clinton
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well, you could give an actual reason, other than he's not a republican and not edwards or clinton
I was gonna say something similar. If you want people to understand where you are coming from and maybe even AGREE with you, perhaps it would be better to explain yourself more instead of just throwing out insults.
I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon.
Also, I'm suprised no one has brought up how so many of Kucinich and Paul's stances are so opposing. I think though, that the admiration comes from both of them being authentic and true to themselves...a beautiful and rare trait (esp in politics).
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I was gonna say something similar. If you want people to understand where you are coming from and maybe even AGREE with you, perhaps it would be better to explain yourself more instead of just throwing out insults.
Someone asked who I was going to vote for... Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. I could give a fuck if you understand where Im coming from. And to think Im voting for someone because of what YOU think is stupid and Im not going to be a part of it anymore.
I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon.
i'm just glad you and kabong are back.....the mt has been somewhat boring as of late.....:)
as for kucinich/paul ticket.......i thought about this many months ago and i'm glad that both dennis and ron have/are considering this.....:)
Someone asked who I was going to vote for... Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. I could give a fuck if you understand where Im coming from. And to think Im voting for someone because of what YOU think is stupid and Im not going to be a part of it anymore.
I don't think anyone was asking you to convince them to vote the same as you. Since you could care less about others understanding where you are coming from, don't act so surprised and get so defensive when people attack your stance and call you ignorant.
he was talking pretty aggressive about iran, and didn't he say a year or so ago that the reason we needed to keep a permanent presence in iraq was so iran and syria knew we were serious?? it's not that he just said he would keep all options open, he was aggressive in his talk.
also your sugar on shit doesn't make sense, in that analogy isn't the cap on interest rates the sugar? or are you saying he voted against credit card interest rates?? b/c he voted to have NO cap on the shit/interest rates
you're ok w. his constant renewal of the patriot act?
there's a nice thread about his advisors (who are pretty aggressive themselves) on the first page if you wanna take a look
There are a lot of things about every candidate, major or minor, that I'm not exactly O.K. with. While I'm not completely O.K. with the renewal of the patriot act, it's not unusual for Senators to reach compromises (and is the main reason Senators don't usually make for good candidates). http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
Yes, by my analogy, the interest rate cap was the 'sugar.' I believe, and I think I heard this from him before, but I'm a little busy at work to do an extensive search, but I believe the reason he voted against the 30% cap was because it was too high, and he didn't want it sweetening a bill he didn't want to see passed. Instead, he proposed his own Credit Card Bill of Rights:
"Obama’s proposed bill of rights for credit card holders would make credit card companies give their customers the option to drop out of an agreement should the credit card company decide to increase interest rates. The proposal would also restrict companies from raising interest rates on past balances and would also prohibit companies from charging interest rates on normal transaction fees." http://www.thriftyscot.com/132/122007/senator-obama-hails-credit-card-bill-of-rights.html
The aggressive talk about Iran (I didn't consider it that aggressive, but I see what you're saying), was just tough for a tough situation. He did oppose the Kyl-Lieberman bill declaring the Iranian military a terrorist organization (though he wasn't in Washington when the last minute vote was called - and I do think that was a mistake).
He is what he is - a moderate-left Democrat running for president. He has been and will get criticized from both the right and the left in this country simply because he's not 100% socialist nor 100% "kill da bastads that look at us cross-eyed."
If radical means something different from the same old shit we've been plagued with for years in our govt then I'm all for a 'radical' candidate because this old, tired path we've been using is only leading us off a cliff. I refuse to follow it anymore.
That's fine. Honestly, the more people like Kucinich and Paul, the better. They improve the national debate. But the electorate is never going to vote for radical change all at once. Gradualism, in my opinion, is the key to long term change.
I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon.
Also, I'm suprised no one has brought up how so many of Kucinich and Paul's stances are so opposing. I think though, that the admiration comes from both of them being authentic and true to themselves...a beautiful and rare trait (esp in politics).
and some feel the same way about Obama....so the characteristics of why you like Kucinich and Paul are just as weak as Framer was on Obama....I don't want to pick a fight with you..as I respect your posts...but think this thread really turned on Framer.....even though he may not have supported his position well.....and its not like he wanted Huckabilly....
I always used to say that gradualism is the key to an early death.
I'm pretty sure you're not in favor of the kind of change I'd like, so if I keep it gradual, maybe I can slip it past you.
Besides, what would you radical right-wingers do without status quo, salt of the earth types like me? Live happily in the eventual stasis that anarchy will bring?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There are a lot of things about every candidate, major or minor, that I'm not exactly O.K. with. While I'm not completely O.K. with the renewal of the patriot act, it's not unusual for Senators to reach compromises (and is the main reason Senators don't usually make for good candidates). http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
Yes, by my analogy, the interest rate cap was the 'sugar.' I believe, and I think I heard this from him before, but I'm a little busy at work to do an extensive search, but I believe the reason he voted against the 30% cap was because it was too high, and he didn't want it sweetening a bill he didn't want to see passed. Instead, he proposed his own Credit Card Bill of Rights:
"Obama’s proposed bill of rights for credit card holders would make credit card companies give their customers the option to drop out of an agreement should the credit card company decide to increase interest rates. The proposal would also restrict companies from raising interest rates on past balances and would also prohibit companies from charging interest rates on normal transaction fees." http://www.thriftyscot.com/132/122007/senator-obama-hails-credit-card-bill-of-rights.html
The aggressive talk about Iran (I didn't consider it that aggressive, but I see what you're saying), was just tough for a tough situation. He did oppose the Kyl-Lieberman bill declaring the Iranian military a terrorist organization (though he wasn't in Washington when the last minute vote was called - and I do think that was a mistake).
He is what he is - a moderate-left Democrat running for president. He has been and will get criticized from both the right and the left in this country simply because he's not 100% socialist nor 100% "kill da bastads that look at us cross-eyed."
first, i worded the sugar/shit part of my post poorly, re-reading it it looks snide and like a dick and that's not how i meant it at all.
i don't think you have to be a radical socialist, i just don't see obama as much, if any, of a change. i don't trust him and i may be wrong but my personal opinion is his talk of iraq and foreign policy changes w/ the polls...when the war had more support he talked of keeping a permanent presence and showing iran and syria we "were serious"...then when the support drops his message suddenly changes reflecting the polls...
now you could say this is good, it shows he's listening to the ppl, maybe so, maybe i'm just too cynical and jaded from the past....too many decades to count really, abuses and lies of government and politicians and the corporate media and pr firms....i just don't trust him, especially after seeing who some of his top advisors are and knowing what they have done in the past
i trust someone more who's view on those things were constant since day 1
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
el kabong and abook... i assume you both are supporting Kucinch as i am... i was wondering how you felt about the endorsement he gave to Obama a few days ago?
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you're making a fool of yourself here. maybe that's why?
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
that darned cat, always meowing at the door.
thanks
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yep you've got it... pile it on fuckers...
well, you could give an actual reason, other than he's not a republican and not edwards or clinton
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I was gonna say something similar. If you want people to understand where you are coming from and maybe even AGREE with you, perhaps it would be better to explain yourself more instead of just throwing out insults.
Also, I'm suprised no one has brought up how so many of Kucinich and Paul's stances are so opposing. I think though, that the admiration comes from both of them being authentic and true to themselves...a beautiful and rare trait (esp in politics).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Someone asked who I was going to vote for... Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. I could give a fuck if you understand where Im coming from. And to think Im voting for someone because of what YOU think is stupid and Im not going to be a part of it anymore.
i'm just glad you and kabong are back.....the mt has been somewhat boring as of late.....:)
as for kucinich/paul ticket.......i thought about this many months ago and i'm glad that both dennis and ron have/are considering this.....:)
I don't think anyone was asking you to convince them to vote the same as you. Since you could care less about others understanding where you are coming from, don't act so surprised and get so defensive when people attack your stance and call you ignorant.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
Yes, by my analogy, the interest rate cap was the 'sugar.' I believe, and I think I heard this from him before, but I'm a little busy at work to do an extensive search, but I believe the reason he voted against the 30% cap was because it was too high, and he didn't want it sweetening a bill he didn't want to see passed. Instead, he proposed his own Credit Card Bill of Rights:
"Obama’s proposed bill of rights for credit card holders would make credit card companies give their customers the option to drop out of an agreement should the credit card company decide to increase interest rates. The proposal would also restrict companies from raising interest rates on past balances and would also prohibit companies from charging interest rates on normal transaction fees."
http://www.thriftyscot.com/132/122007/senator-obama-hails-credit-card-bill-of-rights.html
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
The aggressive talk about Iran (I didn't consider it that aggressive, but I see what you're saying), was just tough for a tough situation. He did oppose the Kyl-Lieberman bill declaring the Iranian military a terrorist organization (though he wasn't in Washington when the last minute vote was called - and I do think that was a mistake).
He is what he is - a moderate-left Democrat running for president. He has been and will get criticized from both the right and the left in this country simply because he's not 100% socialist nor 100% "kill da bastads that look at us cross-eyed."
and some feel the same way about Obama....so the characteristics of why you like Kucinich and Paul are just as weak as Framer was on Obama....I don't want to pick a fight with you..as I respect your posts...but think this thread really turned on Framer.....even though he may not have supported his position well.....and its not like he wanted Huckabilly....
I always used to say that gradualism is the key to an early death.
But hey, I gotta give Obama credit for defending the status quo through the mantra of change. It takes a real politician to do that.
Besides, what would you radical right-wingers do without status quo, salt of the earth types like me? Live happily in the eventual stasis that anarchy will bring?
Or you could just keep forcing me to do whatever you'd like. Seems easier, eh?
Hehe...there's only one way to find out.
LOL...who are you voting for?
o thats right...you're not
I'm voting for you because you're so awesome.
assumptions...assumptions...tsk...tsk..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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first, i worded the sugar/shit part of my post poorly, re-reading it it looks snide and like a dick and that's not how i meant it at all.
i don't think you have to be a radical socialist, i just don't see obama as much, if any, of a change. i don't trust him and i may be wrong but my personal opinion is his talk of iraq and foreign policy changes w/ the polls...when the war had more support he talked of keeping a permanent presence and showing iran and syria we "were serious"...then when the support drops his message suddenly changes reflecting the polls...
now you could say this is good, it shows he's listening to the ppl, maybe so, maybe i'm just too cynical and jaded from the past....too many decades to count really, abuses and lies of government and politicians and the corporate media and pr firms....i just don't trust him, especially after seeing who some of his top advisors are and knowing what they have done in the past
i trust someone more who's view on those things were constant since day 1
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
el kabong and abook... i assume you both are supporting Kucinch as i am... i was wondering how you felt about the endorsement he gave to Obama a few days ago?