The U.S. vs. John Lennon

Abookamongstthemany
Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
I watched this film over the weekend and loved it! Quite inspiring. :)

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/mf/frame?theme=minfo&lid=wmv-700-p.1437980-168504,wmv-56-p.1437977-168504,wmv-100-p.1437978-168504,wmv-300-p.1437979-168504,wmv-28-p.1437977-168504&id=1809233930&f=1809233930&mspid=1809710297&type=t


War is Over...if you want it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I want it!

    Actually, war is never over. It's human nature. It's only the stupid that resort to actually being stupid about it.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    War is Over...if you want it.

    actually moonbeam (*you know that's not a personal insult :)),
    war is over when they want it.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I enjoyed that. Thanks.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I have to buy!
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    I want it!

    Actually, war is never over. It's human nature. It's only the stupid that resort to actually being stupid about it.

    I ain't buying that for one second.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name! ~ Emma Goldman"
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    actually moonbeam (*you know that's not a personal insult :)),
    war is over when they want it.

    Are they fighting it? They are heavily outnumbered and I believe.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I ain't buying that for one second.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name! ~ Emma Goldman"

    I mean the modern social strata allows for disagreement, that is a healthy thing for society. That one segment of ours in America resorts to actually dropping real live bombs and sending troops 10,000 miles away to fight some idiotic idea of war there does not a war make.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Are they fighting it? They are heavily outnumbered and I believe.

    What's funny about movies like this is the focus on Nixon (who was even more liberal than Bush). the lack of emphasis on JFK and LBJ....it's a complete distortion of reality...as usual, I'll be tuning this out.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    I mean the modern social strata allows for disagreement, that is a healthy thing for society. That one segment of ours in America resorts to actually dropping real live bombs and sending troops 10,000 miles away to fight some idiotic idea of war there does not a war make.

    So, I guess what I'm saying is, is that Iraq was never a real war.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    So, I guess what I'm saying is, is that Iraq was never a real war.

    Or, that is to say, the vernacular of war wears thin when it comes to subjecting a population to one's will.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    I mean the modern social strata allows for disagreement, that is a healthy thing for society. That one segment of ours in America resorts to actually dropping real live bombs and sending troops 10,000 miles away to fight some idiotic idea of war there does not a war make.


    I'm speaking of war in the terms of being hostile and using aggression and murder to defeat and/or destabilize another side. I see nothing 'human' in killing....that slips in to monsterous and animalistic to me. We humans have the compacity to love, learn, communicate and use understanding to solve our problems.

    Main Entry: 1war
    Pronunciation: 'wor
    Function: noun
    Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: Middle English werre, from Anglo-French werre, guerre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife; akin to Old High German werran to confuse
    1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : STATE OF WAR b : the art or science of warfare c (1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
    2 a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease>
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Or, that is to say, the vernacular of war wears thin when it comes to subjecting a population to one's will.

    Do you see what I'm saying PurpleHawk? Trying to get an original idea across?

    Not that its even that original. I get the idea, somewhat, from Leonoard Cohen's "Come back to the War" song. I'm not even sure if that's the title.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    gue_barium wrote:
    So, I guess what I'm saying is, is that Iraq was never a real war.

    I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.

    Iraq is not a real war, it is an occupation. And how Bush or Cheney or anyone else can say that we have to stay until we "win" is beyond me.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    What's funny about movies like this is the focus on Nixon (who was even more liberal than Bush). the lack of emphasis on JFK and LBJ....it's a complete distortion of reality...as usual, I'll be tuning this out.

    Nixon was president during the time Lennon was being deported.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm speaking of war in the terms of being hostile and using aggression and murder to defeat and/or destabilize another side. I see nothing 'human' in killing....that slips in to monsterous and animalistic to me. We humans have the compacity to love, learn, communicate and use understanding to solve our problems.

    Main Entry: 1war
    Pronunciation: 'wor
    Function: noun
    Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: Middle English werre, from Anglo-French werre, guerre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife; akin to Old High German werran to confuse
    1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : STATE OF WAR b : the art or science of warfare c (1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
    2 a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease>

    okay. I'll agree with ya.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    What's funny about movies like this is the focus on Nixon (who was even more liberal than Bush). the lack of emphasis on JFK and LBJ....it's a complete distortion of reality...as usual, I'll be tuning this out.


    actually, there are parts dealing w/ lbj in it....but, as was already stated who was the president trying to deport john lennon (which is what the doc is about)? it wasn't jfk, it wasn't lbj......so you an see why nixon is so prominent? where is the distortion of reality?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    okay. I'll agree with ya.

    I mean, I'll agree with that definition of War. Seems appropriate.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I watched this film over the weekend and loved it! Quite inspiring. :)

    http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/mf/frame?theme=minfo&lid=wmv-700-p.1437980-168504,wmv-56-p.1437977-168504,wmv-100-p.1437978-168504,wmv-300-p.1437979-168504,wmv-28-p.1437977-168504&id=1809233930&f=1809233930&mspid=1809710297&type=t


    War is Over...if you want it.

    What did it inspire you to do?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • gobrowns19
    gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    I got the Doors DVD with Val Kilmer, the anniversary edition for Christmas, and as I layed down to watch it one day, before I could skip through the previews, this exact preview came on. I must have seriously watched it 6 times. The part where John is shouting through a megaphone while power to the people is playing sends chills up my spine. Now I just have to see this movie!!
    Happiness is only real when shared
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    What did it inspire you to do?

    To be much more optimistic and hopeful regarding the world, it's affairs and the people living in it. John was really a light for us all. His heart was full of love for humanity.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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