What Are Democrats Thinking?

onelongsong
onelongsong Posts: 3,517
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
from the current polls; it looks like the democrats will be hitching their wagon to a lame horse for the race to the white house. instead of finding a good strong candidate most likely to sway republican votes in their favour; they again find candidates outcast by many in their own party. the democrats that knew kerry for what he was; voted against him. it looks like 2008 will be the same. people will not vote for the best candidate; but vote against the worst.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    from the current polls; it looks like the democrats will be hitching their wagon to a lame horse for the race to the white house. instead of finding a good strong candidate most likely to sway republican votes in their favour; they again find candidates outcast by many in their own party. the democrats that knew kerry for what he was; voted against him. it looks like 2008 will be the same. people will not vote for the best candidate; but vote against the worst.


    Got to hate wasting the vote on a third party to make a real statement. :rolleyes:

    What is the problem down there with not buying into the bs line of wasting a vote. Are the people that gullable?
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    onelongsong wrote:
    from the current polls; it looks like the democrats will be hitching their wagon to a lame horse for the race to the white house. instead of finding a good strong candidate most likely to sway republican votes in their favour; they again find candidates outcast by many in their own party. the democrats that knew kerry for what he was; voted against him. it looks like 2008 will be the same. people will not vote for the best candidate; but vote against the worst.

    oh i highly disagree with that. i don't know about the 'current polls' nor do i care, but i know of at least one democratic candidate who is getting a lot of new democrat and republican-identified support.

    and i think that for the first time in my personal political history, 2008 will be different and exciting.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    even flow? wrote:
    Got to hate wasting the vote on a third party to make a real statement. :rolleyes:

    What is the problem down there with not buying into the bs line of wasting a vote. Are the people that gullable?


    Yes.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I'm not interested in a candidate that appeals to Republicans. If I were, I'd be voting Republican. We need to sway independents, which is hardly the same thing, and there are at least a couple out there that may be able to do that.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sometimes it is just an unpopularity contest, that's how we got Harper.
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    even flow? wrote:
    Got to hate wasting the vote on a third party to make a real statement. :rolleyes:

    What is the problem down there with not buying into the bs line of wasting a vote. Are the people that gullable?


    *waves* current and future vote waster checking in.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm not interested in a candidate that appeals to Republicans. If I were, I'd be voting Republican. We need to sway independents, which is hardly the same thing, and there are at least a couple out there that may be able to do that.

    and start swaying the huge amounts of apathetic non-voters. Give them something worth going out to the polls.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    *waves* current and future vote waster checking in.

    Count me in. Not sure why people see 2008 as ultimately being any different than the previous few presidential elections.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sometimes it is just an unpopularity contest, that's how we got Harper.


    ha ha ha ha ha The smile won't leave my face!
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm not interested in a candidate that appeals to Republicans. If I were, I'd be voting Republican. We need to sway independents, which is hardly the same thing, and there are at least a couple out there that may be able to do that.

    i think there are many things happening concurrently, one being that more people are starting to identify as independent--and some of those are 'former' republicans. but not all republicans are the same, just as not all democrats are the same (which is also why there seems to be more of an 'independent' identifier going on too) and there seems to be a lot of change happening, albeit slowly.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    and start swaying the huge amounts of apathetic non-voters. Give them something worth going out to the polls.
    YES! We need to get the younger people reason to go out and vote, since they seem to be the majority of the non-voters.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Jeanwah wrote:
    YES! We need to get the younger people reason to go out and vote, since they seem to be the majority of the non-voters.

    this generation y or 'next' or whatever (24-25 and under) are the most politically active generation, according to a bunch of news things i've read and seen lately.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    VictoryGin wrote:
    oh i highly disagree with that. i don't know about the 'current polls' nor do i care, but i know of at least one democratic candidate who is getting a lot of new democrat and republican-identified support.

    and i think that for the first time in my personal political history, 2008 will be different and exciting.

    my best friend is a democratic congressman who says he'll vote against any woman running. behind closed doors he's backing gulliani. most of small town america will vote against any black or woman candidate. their motives may differ but as we see on this board; not everyone is a progressive thinker. gulliani is the "likeable; old fashion president type". very popular with women with a strong political background. he's proven himself in times of crisis and disaster. 2008 will be interesting. but i had thought that it would be a fight between strong candidates in a battle for the whitehouse.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    onelongsong wrote:
    my best friend is a democratic congressman who says he'll vote against any woman running. behind closed doors he's backing gulliani. most of small town america will vote against any black or woman candidate. their motives may differ but as we see on this board; not everyone is a progressive thinker. gulliani is the "likeable; old fashion president type". very popular with women with a strong political background. he's proven himself in times of crisis and disaster. 2008 will be interesting. but i had thought that it would be a fight between strong candidates in a battle for the whitehouse.

    yeah not everyone is a progressive thinker, but i can counter every one of your stories with one of mine--such as one of a extremely traditional republican county in illinois that is organizing in amazing amounts for a black democratic candidate.

    giuliani sucks hard.
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  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    onelongsong wrote:
    from the current polls; it looks like the democrats will be hitching their wagon to a lame horse for the race to the white house. instead of finding a good strong candidate most likely to sway republican votes in their favour; they again find candidates outcast by many in their own party. the democrats that knew kerry for what he was; voted against him. it looks like 2008 will be the same. people will not vote for the best candidate; but vote against the worst.

    I'm assuming you are refering to Hillary? I honestly believe she can beat anyone in a National election except Guilianni. The problem for Dems is I dont think anyone can beat Guilianni in a National election. Should be a lot of fun though. I'm really looking forward to this election. I even wrote an article about it if anyone cares to take a look at it.

    http://www.theobservationist.com/story.php?id=319&PHPSESSID=86781f6adbd4bdf4a37209869b6acd1b
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    and start swaying the huge amounts of apathetic non-voters. Give them something worth going out to the polls.

    i think that's happening. groups like the arian nation are pushing registration to "keep the wrong person out".
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    my best friend is a democratic congressman who says he'll vote against any woman running. behind closed doors he's backing gulliani. most of small town america will vote against any black or woman candidate. their motives may differ but as we see on this board; not everyone is a progressive thinker. gulliani is the "likeable; old fashion president type". very popular with women with a strong political background. he's proven himself in times of crisis and disaster. 2008 will be interesting. but i had thought that it would be a fight between strong candidates in a battle for the whitehouse.
    I predict he falls apart quickly once he's under that national spotlight. Right now, to most of America he's Mr. 9/11, that's all they know of him. Middle America is not going to like his three marriages, his nasty divorces, the fact that his kids barely speak to him. The whole Bernard Kerik thing is going to come up again. There's just too much baggage, I don't think he'll hold up. He'd better enjoy this honeymoon period now. He's just one of many candidates and no one is taking any serious hits yet. If he starts to look like the bona fide front-runner, that's when the media feeding frenzy will start.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    hippiemom wrote:
    I predict he falls apart quickly once he's under that national spotlight. Right now, to most of America he's Mr. 9/11, that's all they know of him. Middle America is not going to like his three marriages, his nasty divorces, the fact that his kids barely speak to him. The whole Bernard Kerik thing is going to come up again. There's just too much baggage, I don't think he'll hold up. He'd better enjoy this honeymoon period now. He's just one of many candidates and no one is taking any serious hits yet. If he starts to look like the bona fide front-runner, that's when the media feeding frenzy will start.

    and he wasn't well-liked in ny before 9/11. some of his policies were awful. there was a great, long article on him in the nation a few years ago about everything.

    and if he loses evangelical support, would he have enough to beat the dem? i doubt it.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Dustin51 wrote:
    I'm assuming you are refering to Hillary? I honestly believe she can beat anyone in a National election except Guilianni. The problem for Dems is I dont think anyone can beat Guilianni in a National election. Should be a lot of fun though. I'm really looking forward to this election. I even wrote an article about it if anyone cares to take a look at it.

    http://www.theobservationist.com/story.php?id=319&PHPSESSID=86781f6adbd4bdf4a37209869b6acd1b

    keep in mind that you are a progressive thinker and living in an area where things are different. your world doesn't portray all of america. neither does mine. o'l bubba who's "maybe" heard of the internet is going to put pants on and come out of the woods and vote to make sure we "don't have no lady or negro" president.
    it will be interesting though.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    I predict he falls apart quickly once he's under that national spotlight. Right now, to most of America he's Mr. 9/11, that's all they know of him. Middle America is not going to like his three marriages, his nasty divorces, the fact that his kids barely speak to him. The whole Bernard Kerik thing is going to come up again. There's just too much baggage, I don't think he'll hold up. He'd better enjoy this honeymoon period now. He's just one of many candidates and no one is taking any serious hits yet. If he starts to look like the bona fide front-runner, that's when the media feeding frenzy will start.

    then the same people won't like the disgrace bill brought to the presidentcy and hillary's "acceptance" of his indiscretions. the door swings both ways.

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