What Are Democrats Thinking?

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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sometimes it is just an unpopularity contest, that's how we got Harper.

    Sometimes???
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I don't think its apathetic...

    I don't vote for much the same reason I don't play the lottery.

    ...to me, that's like saying, "I get up every morning, and live, simply because I have to."
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Dustin51 wrote:
    It trips me out that so many people identify with the two parties. I don't get it all. Most people agree the system is messed up yet continue to buy into it. We can still change things. If we had all just voted for Nader in 2000 we would've had the most honest, hard working, dedicated president ever. Honestly I'd consider voting for a hardcore conservative if I thought that he posessed those qualities. Like Eddie said man...Just give us some truth.
    ...
    It's nice to think like that. But, consider the political realities that exist today and the amount of momentum that would be needed to exact a real change... it's overwhelming.
    And **if** Nader had won in 2000... there STILL would have been a Republican dominated House and Senate. The safe bet would be to say that nothing would get done (which, in retrospective, maybe nothing would be better than doing the idiotic shit that landed us in the mess we are in today). But you see where I'm coming from, right? We don't get to choose anything or anyone good.. we get to pick between a plate of crap or a bowl of shit. That's the political reality.
    And if Hitler ran as a Republican and Saddam Hussein ran as a Democrat in 2000... Nader STILL would have lost to either because there are too many voters out there who would vote for the letters (D) or (R), rather than the candidate. Sorry, but THAT is America.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    It's nice to think like that. But, consider the political realities that exist today and the amount of momentum that would be needed to exact a real change... it's overwhelming.
    And **if** Nader had won in 2000... there STILL would have been a Republican dominated House and Senate. The safe bet would be to say that nothing would get done (which, in retrospective, maybe nothing would be better than doing the idiotic shit that landed us in the mess we are in today). But you see where I'm coming from, right? We don't get to choose anything or anyone good.. we get to pick between a plate of crap or a bowl of shit. That's the political reality.
    And if Hitler ran as a Republican and Saddam Hussein ran as a Democrat in 2000... Nader STILL would have lost to either because there are too many voters out there who would vote for the letters (D) or (R), rather than the candidate. Sorry, but THAT is America.

    Doesn't mean I have to play along.

    Hopefully, one day, a many more will stop playing, as well.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Doesn't mean I have to play along.

    Hopefully, one day, a many more will stop playing, as well.
    ...
    Yeah... I know.
    But, to me... the 2000 election was a critical one. Not because of terrorism... not because of Al Gore... it was the Supreme Court I was worried about. Those seats are filled for a lifetime. I would rather have someone other than a theocratic dweeb fill those seats as political favors (ref. Harriet Meirs). I knew that the Nader thing was pretty much a lost cause... not that it wasn't worthy of a fight against the system... but, I saw the the two, possibly 3 seats coming up within the next 4 or 8 years. That was my reality.
    I didn't vote for Gore in 2000 because i thought he would be a great president... or because he was a Democrat... I only voted for Gore because I felt that he would do less damage to my country.
    And yeah... I dream of the day when we can set aside all partisan politics and just get a good man in the oval office for a change. But, the way things are looking... it's gonna remain just a dream for a long, long time. We let too many stupid people vote... and they will vote for the Jackass or the Fatass every time... mostly based upon the fact that their parents did the same thing.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Bu2 wrote:
    ...to me, that's like saying, "I get up every morning, and live, simply because I have to."

    Because I don't vote? He he.. is that the only "important" thing you do? Participate in the collecting of the slants gleened from a lifetime of the deceipt thrust upon you paid for by special interests that live and die by how well they can convince a sea of people? Is that really what brings you self actualization?

    I like my friends and family... :)
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Yeah... I know.
    But, to me... the 2000 election was a critical one. Not because of terrorism... not because of Al Gore... it was the Supreme Court I was worried about. Those seats are filled for a lifetime. I would rather have someone other than a theocratic dweeb fill those seats as political favors (ref. Harriet Meirs). I knew that the Nader thing was pretty much a lost cause... not that it wasn't worthy of a fight against the system... but, I saw the the two, possibly 3 seats coming up within the next 4 or 8 years. That was my reality.
    I didn't vote for Gore in 2000 because i thought he would be a great president... or because he was a Democrat... I only voted for Gore because I felt that he would do less damage to my country.
    And yeah... I dream of the day when we can set aside all partisan politics and just get a good man in the oval office for a change. But, the way things are looking... it's gonna remain just a dream for a long, long time. We let too many stupid people vote... and they will vote for the Jackass or the Fatass every time... mostly based upon the fact that their parents did the same thing.

    I remember thinking along the same lines when I voted for Kerry, so I understand. But for now I'm going to focus on what I do what and not what I don't want. I'll never stand for anything if I focus all my efforts fighting what I don't what to see. I'm going to keep on dreaming and stay true to that dream, however impossible it may seem to some. Eventually people will grow tired of Jackass and Fatass and their same tired bs.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I remember thinking along the same lines when I voted for Kerry, so I understand. But for now I'm going to focus on what I do what and not what I don't want. I'll never stand for anything if I focus all my efforts fighting what I don't what to see. I'm going to keep on dreaming and stay true to that dream, however impossible it may seem to some. Eventually people will grow tired of Jackass and Fatass and their same tired bs.
    ...
    "Eventually people will grow tired of Jackass and Fatass and their same tired bs."
    Gosh... I hope so.
    And the next election for me is going to be all about Iraq... which it was in the last election... not Gay Marriages... not Swift Boats and the worthlessness of Purple Hearts and Navy Bronze Stars... Iraq.
    But, I know, especially in the political climate that exists today... it's gonna be shit or crap all over again.
    And I love that you can dream in the face of such a horrible reality. That's admirable and never lose that. I really hope that some day it comes true.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    "Eventually people will grow tired of Jackass and Fatass and their same tired bs."
    Gosh... I hope so.
    And the next election for me is going to be all about Iraq... which it was in the last election... not Gay Marriages... not Swift Boats and the worthlessness of Purple Hearts and Navy Bronze Stars... Iraq.
    But, I know, especially in the political climate that exists today... it's gonna be shit or crap all over again.
    And I love that you can dream in the face of such a horrible reality. That's admirable and never lose that. I really hope that some day it comes true.

    Feel free to join in on the dream, we'd love to have ya. :) When enough people dream it...it becomes true. ;)

    Don't dream it, be it!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Can I get a "C" Pat?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
     When the title works.
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,236

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
    I like it when that happens.  I see some sorely missed users on this thread.  When an old thread comes up like this, it kind of brings them back to life here.
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    What's wrong with Andrew Yang running for mayor?  I think the more experience and exposure he gets, the better.  Go Yang!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
    I like it when that happens.  I see some sorely missed users on this thread.  When an old thread comes up like this, it kind of brings them back to life here.
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    What's wrong with Andrew Yang running for mayor?  I think the more experience and exposure he gets, the better.  Go Yang!

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
    I like it when that happens.  I see some sorely missed users on this thread.  When an old thread comes up like this, it kind of brings them back to life here.
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    What's wrong with Andrew Yang running for mayor?  I think the more experience and exposure he gets, the better.  Go Yang!

    background.
    Yeah, Anal Street is kind of weird, I agree.
    As for Yang, I'm impressed enough with his background.  I'm into the Yang Gang thang.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
    I like it when that happens.  I see some sorely missed users on this thread.  When an old thread comes up like this, it kind of brings them back to life here.
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    What's wrong with Andrew Yang running for mayor?  I think the more experience and exposure he gets, the better.  Go Yang!

    background.
    Yeah, Anal Street is kind of weird, I agree.
    As for Yang, I'm impressed enough with his background.  I'm into the Yang Gang thang.
    Bri, it is Canal Street. Lol.  He s just standing in front of the “C”.   ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.


    Congrats on digging up a 13yr old thread
    I like it when that happens.  I see some sorely missed users on this thread.  When an old thread comes up like this, it kind of brings them back to life here.
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    What's wrong with Andrew Yang running for mayor?  I think the more experience and exposure he gets, the better.  Go Yang!

    background.
    Yeah, Anal Street is kind of weird, I agree.
    As for Yang, I'm impressed enough with his background.  I'm into the Yang Gang thang.
    Bri, it is Canal Street. Lol.  He s just standing in front of the “C”.   ;)

    OK!  One mystery solved!
    But the folks running the infrastructure in NYC have another problem almost as troubling.  They got JZ's sixth album title wrong.  It's not "6".  I mean, come on, JZ is not like, Chicago.  The correct title is The Blueprint.  NYC needs someone like Yang who will straighten out these discrepancies.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
     



    Our new Mayor, perhaps?

    What the heck is Andrew Yang thinking? Great spot for a photo.



    OK, all joking aside, would like to here some thoughts on this.  Yang for NYC mayor?  Seems like a good thing to me.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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