The Concept of Good vs Evil

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Huh? It was a question. How am I supposed to know what you mean?



    Yes, we have a conscience, but it's not a mystical force. It's part of the brain. See the brain is compartmentalized. When you feel the urge to snack on those chips and your 'conscience' is saying "Don't do it" that two parts of the brain in competition. Likely, the Frontal Lobe (conscience) vs the Limbic System (basic desires). The prefrontal cortex of the frontal lobe is what separates us from animals (mostly). So it's reasonable to think this is where 'conscience' resides, as it's assumed animals don't have such a thing.

    The brain requires input, it learns, and depends on information. Thus the 'conscience' is supported by 'a history of reinforcement'.
    i never said it was a mystical force!!!! but i do believe that God placed that inside of us. of course i have no way of proving that to you. but in all honesty i cannot see how all the science you read about and learn about contradicts the concepts of God... anyways, that's your thing and only for you, but not for me.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Huh? It was a question. How am I supposed to know what you mean?
    by not thinking simplisitic or assuming otherwise
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i never said it was a mystical force!!!! but i do believe that God placed that inside of us. of course i have no way of proving that to you. but in all honesty i cannot see how all the science you read about and learn about contradicts the concepts of God... anyways, that's your thing and only for you, but not for me.

    Because in science everything is causal.

    Two things that are unprovable claim not to be causal; God and human Free-will. Neither of which I believe, because they contradict logic/reason and the causal nature of absolutely everything else.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    they contradict logic/reason and the causal nature of absolutely everything else.
    no. they contradict what seems to make sense to you alone.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no. they contradict what seems to make sense to you alone.

    Give me an example of something that is verifiably not causal.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Give me an example of something that is verifiably not causal.
    why does that matter to me? i can't make sense of anything... especially to you. and why does everything have to make sense? true. we can make sense of nature, of life, of behavior, and our civilization. we can make sense of that, but of other things like... God? what the hell?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    why does that matter to me? i can't make sense of anything... especially to you. and why does everything have to make sense? true. we can make sense of nature, of life, of behavior, and our civilization. we can make sense of that, but of other things like... God? what the hell?

    You can't make sense of God's existence, but you can easily make sense of his/her non-existence.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You can't make sense of God's existence, but you can easily make sense of his/her non-existence.
    no you can't.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You can't make sense of God's existence, but you can easily make sense of his/her non-existence.
    no you can't
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no you can't

    I can.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I can.
    or so you think
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    or so you think

    I do think, it's a wonderful thing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I do think, it's a wonderful thing.
    no, no , ahnimus my friend... follow me... i said you think that you can explain God's non-existence.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You can't make sense of God's existence, but you can easily make sense of his/her non-existence.

    for an atheist; all you do is talk about God on this board. your talking; whether for or against; is still spreading the message of religion.
    just some food for thought.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no, no , ahnimus my friend... follow me... i said you think that you can explain God's non-existence.

    I can.

    We have two possibilities; Infinite regression, which negates God's existence. Or a self-necessary "first cause", the laws of thermodynamics show that the universe is self-necessary, and God is not required.

    Either way, her non-existence makes sense to me.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    for an atheist; all you do is talk about God on this board. your talking; whether for or against; is still spreading the message of religion.
    just some food for thought.

    All I do? Hardly. I'm talking about reality, religion happens to be a major opponent of reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I can.

    We have two possibilities; Infinite regression, which negates God's existence. Or a self-necessary "first cause", the laws of thermodynamics show that the universe is self-necessary, and God is not required.

    Either way, her non-existence makes sense to me.
    exactly... it makes sense to you. but you're not explaining God's non-existence... you're just choosing what makes more sense to you.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    exactly... it makes sense to you. but you're not explaining God's non-existence... you're just choosing what makes more sense to you.

    God's existence makes no sense at all. That's sense enough to suggest she doesn't exist.

    You are selecting the option that has been ingrained in you by your community. Or perhaps the option that makes you feel the best. Despite your ability to reason.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    God's existence makes no sense at all. That's sense enough to suggest she doesn't exist.

    You are selecting the option that has been ingrained in you by your community. Or perhaps the option that makes you feel the best. Despite your ability to reason.
    whatever... if it makes me feel best, or it's ingrained by my community... doesn't mean i can't reason.

    if it makes sense to you well good for you... but you can't explain it. just like my own beliefs... they make sense in a lot of ways but i'm not wasting my time trying to explain it you because it's impossible.

    oh and actually it makes more sense to think that everything came from something then rather thinking that everything came from nothing.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    onelongsong wrote:
    but ethics change with time. 160 years ago it was ethical to own slaves. yesterdays "good" is todays' evil. yesterdays' "evil" is now good.

    No! Back then it was LAWFUL to own slaves, but that does not mean it was ETHICAL. Why would the freedom of a young black man now be more important than 160 hundred years ago? Well, a 160 years have passed so these black people have freedom now. That makes no sense. People's opinions have changed, but the underlying fact that all humans are equal and should share equal rights has not changed. It just never existed under law.

    If the law allowed me to enslave your family, does it become ethical? Of course not. Evil then is evil now. It just became less accepted. Slaves were needed because of peoples' selfishness and greed.

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