Supporters of Israeli terror, listen up!

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I understand why he does. cuz he is hard headed like me :D and feels very passionately that Israel is a terrorist state and have no legitimacy until they return to the 1967 borders. thats it. anything else you say is wrong. you and I will disagree with his stance, but thats allowed. byrzine, i'm not knockin ya buddy. I feel the same way, except its on opposite side of the argument. I enjoy sparin with ya. I think ultimately we all want peace.

    Actually I just love sparring with ya because I'm fascinated with the seemingly endless variations of my name that you can manage to produce! So, the latest version is 'byrzine'! Cool! :D
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I have a good question here. What Muslim could gain a thing by dropping a nuke on Israel? Everything that is sacred and cherished to Muslims historically, in Israel, particualrly Jerusalem, is sacred to Jews as well...I mean...what would be the point then, of turning all those religious and historical monuments to dust?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    oh come on roland. you know you wanted to know. ;):D:p

    I've heard "moshe" means "9" in superancient hebrew.
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  • Pearler
    Pearler Posts: 191
    gue_barium wrote:
    I have a good question here. What Muslim could gain a thing by dropping a nuke on Israel?

    thats a GOOD question. and my answer would be, muslims dont drop nukes on anyone, islamic extremists and terrorists do.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    The reason Israel should pull back is demographic and moral. Israel has no right to rule over the Palestinians against their will, and if Israel is to remain both a democracy and a Jewish state is must cease occupying nearly 3 million Palestinians. I don't think Israel should pull back entirely to the 67' line, which was never a border anyways, only an armistice line, because they need to make very slight alterations to the line for security reasons (ie controlling the heights overlooking the only international airport in the country so that someone can't easily close down the country with a shoulder mounted missile). This would be an addition to Israel of about 3% of the West Bank, which they could compensate the Palestinians for with land that is now part of Israel.

    I'm glad we've arrived at a consensus here. The only problem I still have is with your belief that Israel should control the Golan heights. This is where the water in the area comes from. And as we all know, if you control the water then you pretty much control everything. Does Israel really need the Golan heights for security reasons? I'm not so sure.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    didnt take a crazy man to drop the last two, did it? thats what i think about.

    and you're right, politics is a game of perceptions. but to me when those doing the demonising are hypocrites, then they lose me. thats if they even had me to begins with.

    I'll admit to playing a demonizing groupie to the Bush facade the past few years. All in all though, if the policy is bad, the policy is bad, no?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    I have a good question here. What Muslim could gain a thing by dropping a nuke on Israel? Everything that is sacred and cherished to Muslims historically, in Israel, particualrly Jerusalem, is sacred to Jews as well...I mean...what would be the point then, of turning all those religious and historical monuments to dust?

    oh gue, you are asking a question thinking that the person whose decision it will be to wipe israel off the map is sane enough to think of such things. or even gives a shit. remember where mecca is. they'll still have that. pilgrimages can still be taken. :)
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    alright, then could you please explain to me how talking about "Israeli terror" is a constructive way to begin a discussion. Saying that Israel practices state terror is not an answer.

    I believe it's a constructive way to begin a discussion because it immediately tilts the board of inbuilt bias common in many people who are exposed to the mainstream media in the west that Israel is defending itself against terrorists.
    The truth, as we all know, is somewhat different. So I used the phrase 'Israeli terror' as a way of attempting to create a more level, and honest playing field upon which to encourage a debate.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Pearler wrote:
    thats a GOOD question. and my answer would be, muslims dont drop nukes on anyone, islamic extremists and terrorists do.

    Maybe. Maybe.

    It hasn't even come close to happening yet, though, so, I would check that attitude. :)
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  • gue_barium
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    catefrances wrote:
    oh gue, you are asking a question thinking that the person whose decision it will be to wipe israel off the map is sane enough to think of such things. or even gives a shit. remember where mecca is. they'll still have that. pilgrimages can still be taken. :)

    Islam and Judaism are both the children of Abraham.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    So what you're saying is that if I'm objective and honest then I will immediately agree that Israel is a terrorist state?!!! Forgive me, but just because you believe yourself to be right it doesn't mean that I have to agree. I could just as easily say that if you were objective and honest you would see what is wrong with the lead post.

    O.k then. Please explain how you think that Israel does not, and never has, engaged in terrorism.
    In fact, whilst keeping at the forefront of your mind the fact that Israel is still currently engaged in a brutal 40 year military occupation, please explain how you think that Israel is exempt from being labeled a terrorist state.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    I just got this from an article in Haaretz:

    The general collapse of government functions in the Gaza Strip Tuesday urged several senior Palestinian figures to seriously contemplate Professor Ali Jarbawi's advice to disband the Palestinian Authority.

    Even before the civil war which Hamas and Fatah are starting in the Strip, Professor Jarbawi of Bir Zeit University maintained that the Palestinian Authority was a mere illusion of power: occupation under the guise of self government, and therefore useless.

    On Tuesday, a Palestinian journalist likened the Palestinian Authority to a smoke-belching car wreck, adding that it was time to toss the keys to the Israelis. His view is shared by many Palestinian civilians in Gaza, who in recent days have told the media that they are fed up. "We've had enough, we should be so lucky as to see the return of the Israeli occupation."

    (me again)
    It's tragic that the situation has gotten so bad that people actually want to be occupied again. It brings up a strange issue though. I oppose the occupation on moral and strategic grounds, but morally speaking what would be better, to stand back and let the Palestinians keep killing each other, or to step in as an occupier again and put a stop to it. I can't bring myself to say that Israel should re-occupy Gaza, but it's an interesting dilemma.

    Divide and conquer is not a new tactic. The Israelis have learn't, and applied, the lesson well.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    old...but still amusing...

    The theory is that if you turn mecca into a sheet of glass the Muslims will lose all faith in Allah the almighty and fall apart.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162795,00.html

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Pearler wrote:
    thats a GOOD question. and my answer would be, muslims dont drop nukes on anyone, islamic extremists and terrorists do.

    Really? When? :confused: I must have stayed in bed that day!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Islam and Judaism are both the children of Abraham.

    religion as history. *shakes her head* i know i know. through ishmael to muhammed and through isaac the other way.
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  • Pearler
    Pearler Posts: 191
    pity you dont stay in bed more days....your ranting and raving and professing to have all the correct answers to the problems in the middle east is quite laughable. particularly coming from a westerner.

    oxymoron comes to mind.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    religion as history. *shakes her head* i know i know. through ishmael to muhammed and through isaac the other way.

    I guess, in a very simple way, what we have here is a case of sibling rivalry run amok.

    Abraham must have been a musician.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Pearler wrote:
    pity you dont stay in bed more days....your ranting and raving and professing to have all the correct answers to the problems in the middle east is quite laughable. particularly coming from a westerner.

    oxymoron comes to mind.

    Laugh on Bubba. Coz I ain't going anywhere!

    Edit: And as for me being a Westerner...Errm..I don't get your point. Please enlighten me.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Pearler wrote:
    pity you dont stay in bed more days....your ranting and raving and professing to have all the correct answers to the problems in the middle east is quite laughable. particularly coming from a westerner.

    oxymoron comes to mind.

    Pity that there are no 'correct' answers. I don't see anyone professing to that but you.
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  • Pearler
    Pearler Posts: 191
    gue_barium wrote:
    Pity that there are no 'correct' answers. I don't see anyone professing to that but you.

    read the last 10 pages of this thread and all there is is you and your monkey brother byrnzie chest poking each other about whos right and wrong.


    ya both just a pair of wankers.

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