McCain in favor of DRAFT !!!!!!!!!

robbie
robbie Posts: 883
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.stereohyped.com/john-mccain-thinks-a-draft-would-be-okay-20080820/


just watch the video. I know the media does not have the balls to run with this, but McCain just endorsed the fucking draft. there will be more wars "my friends"

FUCK YOU McCAIN! My son WILL NOT die for you and your bullshit wars. if he is still close in the polls tomorrow after this comment this country deserves whatever it gets.
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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    Obama favors it too. In different forms.
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    I think you're reading into it just a little too much. And if he is elected, he doesn't make that call, I'm pretty sure thats an act of congress?
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    Obama should run the clip from 1:32 - 1:50 in nationwide commercials every day, every hour, on every channel. followed by mcCain saying "there will be more wars my friends" and the bit about our troops being in iraq for 100 years. just run it over and over and over.....

    americans are WAY too stupid to understand anything but sound clips.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    robbie wrote:
    americans are WAY too stupid to understand anything but sound clips.
    aren't you basing all of this on a clip?
  • LeilaMoonTurtle
    LeilaMoonTurtle Posts: 1,418
    :(
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    Mihi cura futuri.

    The elements they speak to me.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL3gQO1WxUk
    so cute they are
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    _outlaw wrote:
    aren't you basing all of this on a clip?

    I am basing this on the fact that McCains answer to everything is war. and he just flat out admitted that he does not disagree that we need a draft. what i meant by Obama needs to run this clip in heavy rotation is that Americans are too stupid to understand intelligent conversation, they do not want to understand issues or positions, they only want soundbites. so give them this soundbite. every time obama says something intelligent and well thought out, he is criticized for being "elitist" people want to believe that if we "drill here, drill now" that the oil will somehow belong to the american people, and gas prices will drop to 1.50 a gallon, once anyone tries to explain that the oil will belong to the oil company that drills it, and they will make huge profit selling it on the world market, and that does nothing to make us energy independent, it simply gives our national recourse to a global corporation to sell on the global market, people lose interest. they only want to hear "drill here, drill now." so if all americans can digest is one liner soundbites, obama needs to show the nation who mcCain is in soundbites.
  • drew2420
    drew2420 Posts: 61
    Chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell? Fuck America. Why are we so blindly arrogant? The future of mankind is not about war. There is no future with war. We are all fucking human beings. We are all one! The sooner we start realizing this the sooner things will change. Bin Laden is no more evil then America. We both believe we are right and God is on our side. In the process killing our own brothers and sisters because we are to damn stupid to understand we are fighting for the same things. We are all part of the same web, it makes no sense to throw rocks at the other side of that web. It is suicide! The times they are a changing. The old religions are dying, patriotism is losing its meaning. It is now time for Humans to come together and truly live as one. I could go on and on but i'm gonna stop because I know only a few truly visionary people will understand what i'm saying. Evil is not real! Fear is imagination misguided. Wake up people! Turn off your TV! Stop waxing your shiny car! Or simply laugh off this rant and GO BACK TO SLEEP. For those of you open minded enough to free yourself and humanity from disaster check out this video. Better yet check out the book. Educate yourself!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6CVzAYkVxI

    in lak'ech
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    You need to take a realistic look at what a long, protracted hostile occupation of a foriegn nation entails. You NEED boots on the ground... that is a reality. We cannot prolong a campaign without a large number of trainned troops.
    This reality existed in 2003 when we undertook this little adventure... and it exists today as we are deeply involved in it. We should have factored that into this decision when we made it. We failed to do so and our current troops are paying the price for our poor planning.
    We have tried a couple of things... lowering the standard requirements for enlistment, allowed criminal records, raised the high age requirement and increased our troop deployments in both cycle and duration. We have lowered the number of enlistment quotas to make it appear that enlistment numbers are normal. That is just fucking with the numbers to fit the justification. If it does come to the last resort of a Selective Service draft... I hope that they eliminate the college deferrment waiver to keep those kids who can afford to avoid the draft... from avoiding the draft.
    More affluent parents should not be able to shield their kids based upon their ability to pay their way out. Rich kids should serve just as much as poor kids. Politicians and corporate executives should make the same sacrifices as those who are on welfare and everyone in between.
    This is the path we, as a nation has chosen. Our lack of foresight should not go without a responsibility.
    ...
    Finally... if more Americans had a stake in this war... our kids having to serve their time in Hell... then, maybe more Americans would pay closer attention to where our leaders are taking us.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • drew2420
    drew2420 Posts: 61
    Cosmo wrote:
    You need to take a realistic look at what a long, protracted hostile occupation of a foriegn nation entails. You NEED boots on the ground... that is a reality. We cannot prolong a campaign without a large number of trainned troops.
    This reality existed in 2003 when we undertook this little adventure... and it exists today as we are deeply involved in it. We should have factored that into this decision when we made it. We failed to do so and our current troops are paying the price for our poor planning.
    We have tried a couple of things... lowering the standard requirements for enlistment, allowed criminal records, raised the high age requirement and increased our troop deployments in both cycle and duration. We have lowered the number of enlistment quotas to make it appear that enlistment numbers are normal. That is just fucking with the numbers to fit the justification. If it does come to the last resort of a Selective Service draft... I hope that they eliminate the college deferrment waiver to keep those kids who can afford to avoid the draft... from avoiding the draft.
    More affluent parents should not be able to shield their kids based upon their ability to pay their way out. Rich kids should serve just as much as poor kids. Politicians and corporate executives should make the same sacrifices as those who are on welfare and everyone in between.
    This is the path we, as a nation has chosen. Our lack of foresight should not go without a responsibility.
    ...
    Finally... if more Americans had a stake in this war... our kids having to serve their time in Hell... then, maybe more Americans would pay closer attention to where our leaders are taking us.




    It's not 1942 anymore, the next generation doesnt want to fight. We don't even know what we are fighting for anymore. We are giving words like patriotism and freedom. These words have lost their true meaning. I am 23 years old and believe me, my fellow youth will not take kindly to a draft. There will be rebellion and uprising like this country has never seen before. I will not fight in some holy war.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    drew2420 wrote:
    It's not 1942 anymore, the next generation doesnt want to fight. We don't even know what we are fighting for anymore. We are giving words like patriotism and freedom. These words have lost their true meaning. I am 23 years old and believe me, my fellow youth will not take kindly to a draft. There will be rebellion and uprising like this country has never seen before. I will not fight in some holy war.
    ...
    I know. I am against this war and have been from the begining. I am against the draft, too. I have draft aged nephews and a ton of friends with kids in the same boat.
    If the draft was really looming over ALL of us... ALL of America... then, maybe we'd figure out a way to get the fuck out of Bush's Big Adventure in the Middle East and will hold our future leaders accountable for going to war by choice... not necessity.
    ...
    As of right now.. the ONLY Americans who are shouldering all of the weight of this war are the soldiers and their families. No other American is doing squat. Putting a magnet on the back of the SUV ain't doing shit. If their kids were placed under the stress of getting a call letter from Uncle Sam... then, maybe they'd put a little more effort than just sticking a magnet on and forgetting about it.
    And all these draft aged kids that sit in the comfort of their living rooms and are all Gung Ho about 'Going over there to kick some ass'... I wonder how they would feel if they were one of the ones that actually had to GO over there. Would they be all Gung Ho?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    As screwed up as it is, the lack of a draft could explain the lack of real protest and resistance. The war has,since December of 04 been EXTREMELY unpopular. More unpopular than vietnam. This war right now is the longest war in history since WWII. Think about that. 4,000 plus american soldiers are dead, and millions of Iraqis. Soldiers are coming home that will never walk again, if they are alive that is.

    The only way to explain the discrepancy between American hatred of this war, and the lack of protest, is the draft.

    Americans elected Dems to end the war, and they didnt. Pelosi and Reid keep up excuses for why they wont.

    If you want the war to end, a draft has to be instituted. No political party will stop it. And it doesnt look like a mass movement right now could stop it, as is. It needs a little push...
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i think its possible to not have family serving and be sympathetic to those who do have families serving. I also think one can feel the impact and terror those soldiers and their families feel. How the war effects them, and us.

    But I think its possible to turn it off as well. I was an activist and would follow all the news, "2 dead soldiers in Baghdad" everyday. At a certain point it made my life a living hell, unlivable. I needed to step away.

    The point of a draft would be that, you still wouldnt neccesarily have family members serving, but it would be hard to ignore, a friend who was there one day, and then poof next thing he is shipped off to iraq.

    The war has to be stopped. But no politician will end it, I think things have to come to the point they did in the late 60's, where all hell breaks loose and people abandon their scripts.

    The american people are more pissed off about this war than our parents were at vietnam.

    yet no mass movement, no cohesive antiwar mass movement has formed.
  • angelm20
    angelm20 Posts: 142
    WE NOW HAVE MISSLES IN POLLAND~ READY TO BEGIN WAR WITH RUSSIA! SOON CHINA WILL BE THERE TOO...YOU KNOW IT

    2009~HAARP IS TAKING OVER OUR AIRWAVES~WEATHER~MINDS~AND WORLD! Please research this http://www.haarp.net/ ...aND YOU REALLY BELIEVE THEY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HOW CLEAR YOU SEE YOUR REALITY SHOWS? HA! I AM SICK TO MY STOMACH!!!

    The draft is coming baby~ either way it is inevidable! The troops we have just keep getting redeployed~ they cant take any more and no one is exactly signing up. YOU NEED TO GET OUT ON THE STREETS AND MAKE SOME NOISE NOW! IF we wait it will be tooo late!
    I have hope~ I have faith in YOU! WE THE WORLD CITIZENS NEED TO TAKE OFF OUR BLINDERS AND DEMAND TRUTH/ANSWERS/PEACE.
    RISE UP~GET OUT IN THE STREETS~ WE NEED A REVOLUTIONARY OUT POUR FROM WE THE PEOPLE! LETS DO IT ALREADY! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    angelm19 wrote:
    WE NOW HAVE MISSLES IN POLLAND~ READY TO BEGIN WAR WITH RUSSIA! SOON CHINA WILL BE THERE TOO...YOU KNOW IT

    2009~HAARP IS TAKING OVER OUR AIRWAVES~WEATHER~MINDS~AND WORLD! Please research this http://www.haarp.net/ ...aND YOU REALLY BELIEVE THEY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HOW CLEAR YOU SEE YOUR REALITY SHOWS? HA! I AM SICK TO MY STOMACH!!!

    The draft is coming baby~ either way it is inevidable! The troops we have just keep getting redeployed~ they cant take any more and no one is exactly signing up. YOU NEED TO GET OUT ON THE STREETS AND MAKE SOME NOISE NOW! IF we wait it will be tooo late!
    I have hope~ I have faith in YOU! WE THE WORLD CITIZENS NEED TO TAKE OFF OUR BLINDERS AND DEMAND TRUTH/ANSWERS/PEACE.
    RISE UP~GET OUT IN THE STREETS~ WE NEED A REVOLUTIONARY OUT POUR FROM WE THE PEOPLE! LETS DO IT ALREADY! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    oooooooooooooooooo we got a new crazy person? When did this happen, and why did no one tell me?
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    drew2420 wrote:
    It's not 1942 anymore, the next generation doesnt want to fight. We don't even know what we are fighting for anymore.

    ...and then...
    I am 23 years old and believe me, my fellow youth will not take kindly to a draft. There will be rebellion and uprising like this country has never seen before.

    So you will not fight but you'll fight to not fight?

    Freedom is not free.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    69charger wrote:
    Freedom is not free.
    The way I see it, freedom is free.

    It's infringement that comes with a cost. Often a high one.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    angelica wrote:
    The way I see it, freedom is free.

    It's infringement that comes with a cost. Often a high one.

    "The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free..."

    Utah Phillips.

    A draft would take your freedom away... So your own country takes away your freedom, not those in the Middle East.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    aren't you basing all of this on a clip?

    lol well played ;)
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Collin wrote:
    "The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free..."

    Utah Phillips.
    Very nice! :)



    It's a whole new deal - the simple and clear truth - beyond the rhetoric used to keep people in line.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Leftists have wanted to reinstitute the draft for awhile now. You know: "We gotta make sure everyone bears the burden of this war if they're going to be so gung ho about it."

    Blame the leftists just as much as McCain. But I repeat myself...
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell

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