Whats so special about Obama?

acoustic guy · January 2008

I do not see it?
If you are a fan of his please try to show me the light.
I will not go to it but please try to show it to me so I can get a better understanding.

DriftingByTheStorm · January 2008

He has charisma,
and for all those millions that seem to think government should and can fix the world, he is the great black hope.

I personaly think he is only 15% better than the current racket in terms of PERCEIVED honesty only.

I hear a lot of people on the board screaming about the negatives of a "free market" and how bad corporations fuck us.

But i also see a lot of people on here who don't understand that the corporate entity is not something created by the constitution (or inherently protected by it) and rather is created by much subservient laws that can be altered or changed to the benefit of the people with out all kinds of ADDITIONAL regulation and misguided policy.

Beyond that, there are a bunch of folks who think the government should be involved in trying to force healthcare.

If you're view is that the government should manipulate by brute force, and you are also looking for a "likeable" guy, you are probably going with Obama. Besides, his repetition of the "hope", "dreams", and "change" mantras are pretty inspiring if you are a superficial politco.

I personaly believe that the most important (and most constitutionaly acceptable) thing a government should be doing for us is to ensure the soundess of our money ("make no coin legal tender except silver and gold") and therefore guarantee personal wealth and the ability to pursue hapiness as WE see fit.

If you had a strong dollar in your pocket, you could afford your own damn healthcare, without lots of added regulatory bullshit. And lets not even talk about income tax.

acoustic guy · January 2008

No matter who is president, the Health Care System will never change.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

3 words "face value politico's"

Lift up the covers on Obama and it's a verry different picture altogether.

Another all show and no go candidate. Unless you like war, the patriot act, and more the same bush doctrine then he's your man.

NWO backwards.... is OWN

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun · January 2008

i think the US could use a little upbeat positivity. Its more powerful than i thought, even if its all based on bullshit.

DriftingByTheStorm · January 2008

MrSmith wrote:

i think the US could use a little upbeat positivity. Its more powerful than i thought, even if its all based on bullshit.

And what i'm hearing is:
"We're getting fucked in the ass, but at least the rapist is a smooth talker. He tells me i'm cute, calls me kitten, says i can really move, and i like that!"

ledvedderman · January 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

And what i'm hearing is:
"We're getting fucked in the ass, but at least the rapist is a smooth talker. He tells me i'm cute, calls me kitten, says i can really move, and i like that!"

All I hear from the Ron Paul people is:

"I prefer my rapist tell me how special I am and that he will divorce his wife and change...when his wife has him by the balls and there's no way he can make change even if he wanted to"

DriftingByTheStorm · January 2008

ledvedderman wrote:

All I hear from the Ron Paul people is:

"I prefer my rapist tell me how special I am and that he will divorce his wife and change...when his wife has him by the balls and there's no way he can make change even if he wanted to"

So you are saying we are fucked and should just calmly resign to our fate?

I LOVE this assertion.

Its like the patient going to the oncologist and being told, "look, you've got malignancies in your arm and leg. We have to amputate before they spread. If we do this, you won't have an arm and leg, but you will survive."

The patient responds, "Ah. Shit Doc. I'm doomed. Well, can you give me anything for the pain?"

Doc: "Did you hear me? I said we just need to amputate your arm and your leg. You will live!"

Patient: "Ah doc! You did your best! I can't let my arm and leg go. Just give me some pain killers for the ride."

Doc: "Hhwhaatt?"

::sigh::

No one said change is easy.
But why you wouldn't be willing to try is just pure laziness and hopelessness.

The deck is certainly stacked against us,
but that doesn't mean you just give up and quit the game.

Not if your life savings and liberty are on the line.

cornnifer · January 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

So you are saying we are fucked and should just calmly resign to our fate?

I LOVE this assertion.

Its like the patient going to the oncologist and being told, "look, you've got malignancies in your arm and leg. We have to amputate before they spread. If we do this, you won't have an arm and leg, but you will survive."

The patient responds, "Ah. Shit Doc. I'm doomed. Well, can you give me anything for the pain?"

Doc: "Did you hear me? I said we just need to amputate your arm and your leg. You will live!"

Patient: "Ah doc! You did your best! I can't let my arm and leg go. Just give me some pain killers for the ride."

Doc: "Hhwhaatt?"

::sigh::

No one said change is easy.
But why you wouldn't be willing to try is just pure laziness and hopelessness.

The deck is certainly stacked against us,
but that doesn't mean you just give up and quit the game.

Not if your life savings and liberty are on the line.

Meh...
Maybe you and Hillary can go cry on eachothers shoulders. RP has no chance either. You seem to be starting a Hillary type breakdown. Its o.k., buddy. Let it out. You'll fel better.

DriftingByTheStorm · January 2008

cornnifer wrote:

Meh...
Maybe you and Hillary can go cry on eachothers shoulders. RP has no chance either. You seem to be starting a Hillary type breakdown. Its o.k., buddy. Let it out. You'll fel better.

Nope.
Paul is polling 3rd in early entrance polls for NH.

Only crying because people in America are hoplessly entrenched and seem to WANT THE SAME OLD BULLSHIT.

"Eh, i KNOW i can't have the truth, so i'll take bullshitter #2"

:rolleyes:

DPrival78 · January 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Nope.
Paul is polling 3rd in early entrance polls for NH.

3rd place would be very nice for ronnie.

Westernsky · January 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Only crying because people in America are hoplessly entrenched and seem to WANT THE SAME OLD BULLSHIT.

It's this bullshit that I can't handle.
People who approached the 2000 election with this attitude and voted 3rd party or didn't vote at all drive me nuts. There is a difference. Would we be where we are as a country had the popular vote won out? No, we wouldn't.

If you resign yourself to this same old bullshit mantra then you deserve whatever silly metaphor you want to use.

El_Kabong · January 2008

Westernsky wrote:

It's this bullshit that I can't handle.
People who approached the 2000 election with this attitude and voted 3rd party or didn't vote at all drive me nuts. There is a difference. Would we be where we are as a country had the popular vote won out? No, we wouldn't.

If you resign yourself to this same old bullshit mantra then you deserve whatever silly metaphor you want to use.

what's wrong w/ voting 3rd party if they best represent your values/ideals?? I thought that's what you were supposed to vote on?

i don't see all the hype...how can he be the 'anti-establishment' candidate when he's backed by and votes for the credit card industry, the nuclear industry as well as others? you can't claim to be progressive when you follow the status quo

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

Obama fans are uneducated about international politics, and posses easily mislead minds.

Missing the facts they are....information they have not.

cornnifer · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Obama fans are uneducated about international politics, and posses easily mislead minds.

Missing the facts they are....information they have not.

Whatever, Yoda.

MasterFramer · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Obama fans are uneducated about international politics, and posses easily mislead minds.

Missing the facts they are....information they have not.

Yeah you've got it all figured out dont you? :rolleyes:

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

Yeah you've got it all figured out dont you? :rolleyes:

I do actually. So do a lot of people. the facts of the matter speak for themselves. Do some research on Obama and you'll quickly find out for yourself what the guy is really all about.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

cornnifer wrote:

Whatever, Yoda.

All you have to do is learn about your candidate. I can tell you right now you don't know much at all outside of his rally fluff speeches.

That much is painfully apparent..

ledvedderman · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All you have to do is learn about your candidate. I can tell you right now you don't know much at all outside of his rally fluff speeches.

That much is painfully apparent..

Since I'm an Obama supporter, let me take the tin foil cap off my head and get the lobbyists d#ck out of my mouth so I can speak to you.

So you learn about a candidate and you've got the whole political system/government figured out? Get over yourself.

callen · January 2008

PEPPER wrote:

I hope he gets the Democrat nomination because he will be crushed by the Republicans during the election.

Also, the first post someone mentioned they are more concerned about keeping money in their pocket..voting for a democrat will not give you this.

thats such BS....the current Republican administration pissed off more tax payer money than any democrat could ever dream of doing...through entitlements.

callen · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Obama fans are uneducated about international politics, and posses easily mislead minds.

Missing the facts they are....information they have not.

what this really describes are people that voted and in anyway supported Bush and bible thumpers....

Whats so special about Obama?

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