I hope you motherfuckers are right

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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    McCain would not have been another 4 years of Bush. I would not have supported him if he were. You're all saying that ultimately Bush was bad for our country, blah blah blah, and I agree. But I feel like Obama is simply a giant step to the opposite extreme. Instead of a bad conservative, we now have a bad liberal. John McCain, throughout his long Congressional career, has ALWAYS been much more moderate, and therefore at odds with his fellow Republicans much of the time.

    And no matter what you think about Obama, you all have to admit that we've elected a candidate with very little experience. Just 5 years ago he was an Illinois State Senator and hardly anyone knew who he was. Now he is President. He is a good speaker, but frankly I've seen high school and college kids who can speak just as well. That doesn't make up for the fact that he has no experience dealing with foreign policy or the economy. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. He may wind up being a great President, but knowledge and charisma do not make up for actual real-time experience. You can learn everything there is to know about painting, for example, but the only way you get good at it is by actually doing it. John McCain is dead right when he says that this is not a time for on the job training. I really hope Obama knows what he's doing.
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  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    I too hope us motherfuckers are right. How's wrong for the last eight years been for the U.S.A.?
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,245
    MattyJoe wrote:
    McCain would not have been another 4 years of Bush. I would not have supported him if he were. You're all saying that ultimately Bush was bad for our country, blah blah blah, and I agree. But I feel like Obama is simply a giant step to the opposite extreme. Instead of a bad conservative, we now have a bad liberal. John McCain, throughout his long Congressional career, has ALWAYS been much more moderate, and therefore at odds with his fellow Republicans much of the time.

    And no matter what you think about Obama, you all have to admit that we've elected a candidate with very little experience. Just 5 years ago he was an Illinois State Senator and hardly anyone knew who he was. Now he is President. He is a good speaker, but frankly I've seen high school and college kids who can speak just as well. That doesn't make up for the fact that he has no experience dealing with foreign policy or the economy. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. He may wind up being a great President, but knowledge and charisma do not make up for actual real-time experience. You can learn everything there is to know about painting, for example, but the only way you get good at it is by actually doing it. John McCain is dead right when he says that this is not a time for on the job training. I really hope Obama knows what he's doing.


    Well spoken we shall see how he does. This job was going to be momentous for whomever landed the job and now the Obama has it he'll need ALL the help that can be made available to him.

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  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    MattyJoe wrote:
    McCain would not have been another 4 years of Bush. I would not have supported him if he were. You're all saying that ultimately Bush was bad for our country, blah blah blah, and I agree. But I feel like Obama is simply a giant step to the opposite extreme. Instead of a bad conservative, we now have a bad liberal. John McCain, throughout his long Congressional career, has ALWAYS been much more moderate, and therefore at odds with his fellow Republicans much of the time.

    And no matter what you think about Obama, you all have to admit that we've elected a candidate with very little experience. Just 5 years ago he was an Illinois State Senator and hardly anyone knew who he was. Now he is President. He is a good speaker, but frankly I've seen high school and college kids who can speak just as well. That doesn't make up for the fact that he has no experience dealing with foreign policy or the economy. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. He may wind up being a great President, but knowledge and charisma do not make up for actual real-time experience. You can learn everything there is to know about painting, for example, but the only way you get good at it is by actually doing it. John McCain is dead right when he says that this is not a time for on the job training. I really hope Obama knows what he's doing.

    I agree with McCain would not be another Bush. I've said before that these two candidates were much better than the last two. But would Slightofjeff feel better about his ecomonic future if he had been elected yesterday?
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I hope you Obama motherfuckers are right. From the bottom of my heart, I hope that.

    Unlike some folks, I don't think of politics as game, where my team needs to beat your team. Obama won the election. If he sucks, we're all losers. If he succeeds, we're all winners.

    I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
    I could kiss you right now, I get exactly where you are coming from.
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    As a Republican who voted for McCain, I am glad that Obama won.
    America was sick to death of Bush and had to vote opposite. Obama gives me hope. Hope that the Republican party can return to conservative again. McCain, imo, is a democrat. Bush is the same. His whole administration was fairly liberal.
    I'm not excited about paying higher taxes or an increased electric bill, but I think this will give us a chance to put forth an actual Republican next time around and not a RINO.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    MattyJoe wrote:
    McCain would not have been another 4 years of Bush. I would not have supported him if he were. You're all saying that ultimately Bush was bad for our country, blah blah blah, and I agree. But I feel like Obama is simply a giant step to the opposite extreme. Instead of a bad conservative, we now have a bad liberal. John McCain, throughout his long Congressional career, has ALWAYS been much more moderate, and therefore at odds with his fellow Republicans much of the time.

    And no matter what you think about Obama, you all have to admit that we've elected a candidate with very little experience. Just 5 years ago he was an Illinois State Senator and hardly anyone knew who he was. Now he is President. He is a good speaker, but frankly I've seen high school and college kids who can speak just as well. That doesn't make up for the fact that he has no experience dealing with foreign policy or the economy. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. He may wind up being a great President, but knowledge and charisma do not make up for actual real-time experience. You can learn everything there is to know about painting, for example, but the only way you get good at it is by actually doing it. John McCain is dead right when he says that this is not a time for on the job training. I really hope Obama knows what he's doing.
    My feeling is that Obama seems to be a very intelligent, thoughtful individual who actually seems to research data from all areas and make up his own mind. So far based on his campaign I find him to be a good leader and motivator. His campaign couldn't have been run any better imo and I think that says quite a lot. I suppose only time will tell, but I have to say I am impressed so far. One thing I truly like so far is his temperament. He doesn't seem to "fly off the handle" or make "knee jerk reactions". All those qualities are what I am looking for in a President. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Why is everyone feeding the trolls. Ignoring is much easier. If they don't have anyone to play with them, they will go away.

    The OP's post is a breath of fresh air in between some pretty ordinary name calling posts the last few days. Let's not turn it into a slanging much.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    As a Republican who voted for McCain, I am glad that Obama won.
    America was sick to death of Bush and had to vote opposite. Obama gives me hope. Hope that the Republican party can return to conservative again. McCain, imo, is a democrat. Bush is the same. His whole administration was fairly liberal.
    I'm not excited about paying higher taxes or an increased electric bill, but I think this will give us a chance to put forth an actual Republican next time around and not a RINO.
    Nice post! I do have some hope as I think Obama is a good individual. As I've said in other posts, only time will tell, but I do think it is a great step for right now. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    MattyJoe wrote:
    That doesn't make up for the fact that he has no experience dealing with foreign policy or the economy. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

    It is, in fact, not a matter of fact. This particular part is wrong. You may not think he has enough experience, and that is your prerogative. But Obama has had experience on both foreign policy and economic issues during his time in the U.S. Senate, both in terms of legislation he sponsored and legislation he voted upon. For example, there's the legislation regarding black market nuclear weapons he sponsored with Dick Lugar. The African aid legislation he sponsored, the Iraq legislation he's voted upon, etc. etc. So, I understand the argument from those who believe Obama does not have enough experience. However, to say he has none is simply not supported by his record.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    goo wrote:
    it's dangerous business stepping into such a liberal place like a Pearl Jam board and saying anyting that might rattle its many sheep. look at what my thread has done, though it is different from yours. God knows people will reply with "you're a moron" and nothing else. I'm with you on this! I hope I can say I was wrong one day. but it looks pretty dim that I will, when we've had plenty of warning from the horse's mouth what's to come if he's elected. when he does something to prove me wrong, I will shut up. but good for you for being one of the very few who get on here to post your views that, God forbid, differ from the majority.

    Dont degrade the minority by pretending your a victim. You're on a frickin internet board, by choice, of a progressive thinking band. I can actually see you going to your friends and saying: "Yeah i went on the PJ board and told those mfers how i feel."
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I want him to succeed. I need him to succeed.
    Me too!! I hope we were right as well and that he will be a great president and deliver on the promises. Because, in my opinion, we as America got it so wrong the last two times and are dearly paying the price for that now. We have to get it right this time around.

    I can sympathize with your fears as I had many fears 8 years ago that unfortunately were far surpassed.
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    I hope we're right, too.

    I feel good today. I'm gonna give him 4 years to show me whether or not he's a good president. If he's not, then he won't get my vote again. (Um...unless Palin ends up being the Republican nominee. ;) )

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