Katrina: Two years on...

darkcrow
darkcrow Posts: 1,102
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
So two years on and, from what i have read in reports, little has been done. still a lot of devestation. still a lot of people living in trailers. anything positive going on??
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    darkcrow wrote:
    anything positive going on??
    Some.
    At the moment though, it escapes me.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    RainDog wrote:
    Some.
    At the moment though, it escapes me.


    I was reading about it this morning, I know they have started work on levee reconstruction and are still about 3 years away from being.... back to pre Katrina standards... (obviously the wetlands need to come back and that takes time and really, honestly they should go to Cat 5 standards) and that's just the levees, I know the water system sucks too.

    I was wanting to ask you one, have they decided to fill up MRGO yet?

    Also did they ever decide on new building codes, they were squabbling on that when I left last year.

    If you know of any building projects going on I'm looking to make another trip over the winter. I'd like to build something this time.

    Wasn't there some kind of deadline or something they had put on removing those trailers?? It seems like there just isn't the man power to get a lot done right now.

    Cheers RD, keep your head up.
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  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    darkcrow wrote:
    anything positive going on??

    Well, Canadaville is supposedly thriving. It was a village (50 residences) set up by a Canadian industrialist to help ease the burden on New Orleans residents after the flood. About 150 people there are mostly doing well.

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070828/canadaville_story_070828/20070828?hub=World
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I was reading about it this morning, I know they have started work on levee reconstruction and are still about 3 years away from being.... back to pre Katrina standards... (obviously the wetlands need to come back and that takes time and really, honestly they should go to Cat 5 standards) and that's just the levees, I know the water system sucks too.

    I was wanting to ask you one, have they decided to fill up MRGO yet?

    Also did they ever decide on new building codes, they were squabbling on that when I left last year.

    If you know of any building projects going on I'm looking to make another trip over the winter. I'd like to build something this time.

    Wasn't there some kind of deadline or something they had put on removing those trailers?? It seems like there just isn't the man power to get a lot done right now.

    Cheers RD, keep your head up.
    P.
    Those are good questions, man. And I'm rather disappointed in myself for not knowing the answers. I've been ignoring the local news lately - mostly for my own sanity. I think I've had enough time off, though, so I'm going to look into it.

    And cheers to you to, Pac!
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    The Path To Destruction: Two Years After Katrina, Cleanup and Recovery Far From Complete.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    someone tell me the govt actually wants to help these people... I'd like to hear someone try...


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  • surferdude
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    New Orleans is a fifty year project. You can't do much until you fix the infrastructure and that alone is ten years worth of work with little tax revenue to fund it. It may sound harsh but you have to look at is New Orleans worth the money it would take to fix. Given what we know now it woul dbe engineering stupidity to rebuild New Orleans as big as it was. There's a reason building cities below the waterline hasn't caught on....it's just now a good idea. It's not a simple matter of throwing money at it.
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  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    Posted this in AET...guess I should've looked here first. Anyway...

    Your thoughts? This was inspired by another thread, but I have a few comments. The Federal Government and FEMA and Bush could have done much, much more...this isn't debatable. But I blame just as much on Louisiana's horrible, horrible excuse for a state government. So much corrpution among the politicians here. It's very sad. First you had Jefferson, then Vitter a while ago. It's pathetic. Then the re-election of Nagin? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm outta here next Spring. It's a great city and the closest to being in Europe without ever going there with the culture and music and so forth, but really it's still quite a mess politically and the infrastructure still needs quite a bit of work. The crime rate is through the roof, and nothing is being done. On the other hand though, I highly suggest everyone come down for 3 days at the end of October for Voodoo Fest. Rage Against The Machine are my only hope now.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    someone tell me the govt actually wants to help these people... I'd like to hear someone try...


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/29/new-orleans-paper-all-l_n_62323.html
    They over-purchased trailers. :rolleyes: I know this because I worked on a research project in a local National Forest this summer, and the Forest Service had been given three FEMA trailers to use in whatever manner they needed them. These were not the little white box trailers, these were pull-behind RV trailers with the expandable sides like you see at all the big camp sites. The professor that I was working with and I stayed in one while conducting research on site. It had a microwave oven, a stove, a frig, full bathroom, master bedroom, twin bunks....all the comforts of home.

    Basically, the help from the government was them pissing money down the hole after the fact. I would hate to think what they paid for those trailers. In other words, they are doing what the federal government has always done......throw money at a problem and expect it to get all better.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    surferdude wrote:
    New Orleans is a fifty year project. You can't do much until you fix the infrastructure and that alone is ten years worth of work with little tax revenue to fund it. It may sound harsh but you have to look at is New Orleans worth the money it would take to fix. Given what we know now it woul dbe engineering stupidity to rebuild New Orleans as big as it was. There's a reason building cities below the waterline hasn't caught on....it's just now a good idea. It's not a simple matter of throwing money at it.


    So they have declared n.o. a disaster zone and everyone knows this and is staying on purpose despite knowing they will be living in a disaster zone for quite possibly the rest of their lives?

    May I'm confused or they are confused or both.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    tybird wrote:
    They over-purchased trailers. :rolleyes: I know this because I worked on a research project in a local National Forest this summer, and the Forest Service had been given three FEMA trailers to use in whatever manner they needed them. These were not the little white box trailers, these were pull-behind RV trailers with the expandable sides like you see at all the big camp sites. The professor that I was working with and I stayed in one while conducting research on site. It had a microwave oven, a stove, a frig, full bathroom, master bedroom, twin bunks....all the comforts of home.

    Basically, the help from the government was them pissing money down the hole after the fact. I would hate to think what they paid for those trailers. In other words, they are doing what the federal government has always done......throw money at a problem and expect it to get all better.

    Interesting. Those things are almost the price of a home... in and around the $250,000 range.
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  • surferdude
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So they have declared n.o. a disaster zone and everyone knows this and is staying on purpose despite knowing they will be living in a disaster zone for quite possibly the rest of their lives?
    Yes. Some people don't want to face the truth of the situation, or are facing the truth and want to be part of the rebuilding process, or a bit of both.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    surferdude wrote:
    Yes. Some people don't want to face the truth of the situation, or are facing the truth and want to be part of the rebuilding process, or a bit of both.


    Is that the official consensus or your hypothesis? I don't remember hearing about it in the news...probably the residents haven't either.. I'm guessing.
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  • Cosmo
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    surferdude wrote:
    New Orleans is a fifty year project. You can't do much until you fix the infrastructure and that alone is ten years worth of work with little tax revenue to fund it. It may sound harsh but you have to look at is New Orleans worth the money it would take to fix. Given what we know now it woul dbe engineering stupidity to rebuild New Orleans as big as it was. There's a reason building cities below the waterline hasn't caught on....it's just now a good idea. It's not a simple matter of throwing money at it.
    ...
    Forget about the City of New Orleans itself... what about the people who were and continue to be displaced?
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  • keeponrockin
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    Howabout that $50 Billion George wanted for the war?

    That couldn't hurt.
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  • Uncle Leo
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    I know this is easy for me to say, since I have a marketable(ish) degree and can move pretty easily, plus my family is not all in NO, but I would tend to think that I would just leave and settle elsewhere. While I may feel some loyalty to my hometown, I would have to get on with life--and have life not be about recovery for the next, oh I don't know, decade.

    I have no idea whether this is what is happening--everyone with means getting out. I just think that I would. Start over in, for example, St. Loius or something.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I know this is easy for me to say, since I have a marketable(ish) degree and can move pretty easily, plus my family is not all in NO, but I would tend to think that I would just leave and settle elsewhere. While I may feel some loyalty to my hometown, I would have to get on with life--and have life not be about recovery for the next, oh I don't know, decade.

    I have no idea whether this is what is happening--everyone with means getting out. I just think that I would. Start over in, for example, St. Loius or something.

    yeah..dump your house..all you have...for not a cent...

    easy as pie...
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  • darkcrow
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    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I know this is easy for me to say, since I have a marketable(ish) degree and can move pretty easily, plus my family is not all in NO, but I would tend to think that I would just leave and settle elsewhere. While I may feel some loyalty to my hometown, I would have to get on with life--and have life not be about recovery for the next, oh I don't know, decade.

    I have no idea whether this is what is happening--everyone with means getting out. I just think that I would. Start over in, for example, St. Loius or something.
    i guess some people could do that, but a lot of people have roots in the city that go back generations. people have communities with strong ties. just to up sticks and go to a strange place, even if its in your own state/country, can be very hard.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    Hey...New Orleans...America says fuck you....deal with it...


    chumps...

    hurricane bitches..

    you lost...haha

    ?!??!?!

    am I wrong?
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