Howabout that $50 Billion George wanted for the war?
That couldn't hurt.
I was thinking the whole cost of the war. You know toss in the fact that the soldiers would only have to fight the heat while helping to rebuild a piece of their own country. But hey, who am I to say what Uncle Sam should and shouldn't spend the money on.
How long do you think it takes to re-build a city for millions? How long do you expect a person who worked at a plant that was destroyed and is not being rebuilt to stick around?
As much as I love where I live if my home and work places were wiped out I would move immediately.
I will reiterate what was said, that generations and generations of people lived there. It is a unique special place with a lot of problems but, having grown up there, I can say it is hard to leave.
Everyone should read "1 Dead in Attic" by Chris Rose.
all of you are saying that its not worth the time and the effort, and that new orleans isnt important enough and that we should all just leave... and forget new orelans... well first id like to see all of you do that... i was born and raised in chalmette which is right outside of new orleans, where the hurricane really hit... like past the 9th ward.. new orleans didnt get it half as bad... yall have to understand that most of the city is back... its the surrounding areas that need alot of work.. but there are so many more things to that then just governement money... i knwo of several cases where people didnt have the money because of insurance issues and the inurance company not paying them... but believe it or not there is alot more than yall think... i live in an area that got water up to the secodn floor.... but we're still back... its hard cause they havent fixed our flood issues which makes getting insurance harder and in general all of your security isnt there... and thats why some people havent started rebuilding... if theyd make a decision to do something with that so many more people would be back... adn we really wouldnt have flooded half as bad had they shut down the MRGO... or better yet i dont know if you saw the stories in the levees on the side of town that flooded, but they werent built right... one side of the levee was built in the ground farhter than the other, the ones built correctly worked perfect, that part of the city wasnt flooded, on the other hand the levees built wrong obviously did not work...
yall are saying that yall feel liek we should jsut leave it al behind.. but we cant... i mean i could easily leave my house and my material posessions, but i know i have memories in my town... id never want to leave it... my whole family is here, all of my friends, basically my entire life, and if youre from new orleans, and for me half and half between new orleans and a smaller area outside of it... you cant jsut leave, youre used to one way of living, and i promise you theres no place we can go and actually feel the same... theres no place liek new orleans and such...
and yall say we should get rid of it because we cant protect it, but truthfully we've been hit by two big hurricanes in the past 100 years, and ours made a bigger impact only because of the weaker system we have, but that system can be fixed!! florida on the other hand is constantly being hit, yet there systems are strong enough? if our devastation had hit florida rather than us, i can guarantee you that people wouldnt say jsut get rid of it.
and yes we are marshes and wetlands, but theres so much more to it than just the "nasty swamp" picture yall think of. peopel make a livign off that swampy land. the shrimp, crabs, and fish yall probably eat often comes from us. and if we allow the wetlands in lousiana to deteriorate without any prevention, then that jsut makes it quicker for it to stretch and eventually louisiana will turn into swamps and other gulf states, adn sooner or later that will affect yall up north.
theres jsut so much culture here. sure we ahve problems, crime, of course, political issues, always, but so do other states. new york has crime rates taht are jsut off the charts, but peopel dont jsut tell them "hey get out of there and forget abotu that state" so why do it to us?
so many peopel have been displaced by this devastation, but if yall only knew the hope that these peopel have. it doesnt allways show because it does get hard at times, and i know all of us wonder why we even came back, but then that when we realize how much we love it and why taking the risk by staying is worth it.
there are so many ways to help us, the government can get the money. if they have the money to continue this war, taht really is jsut pride issue, and they have the money to re build other countries, then they have the money to re build their own lands, i can tell you most peopel love our city whether they come from ehre of came here at a later age.
my dad came to the US from Cuba, and i can tell you he loves living here more than anything. its jsut such a homely place, and the feeling of teh community and everything is jsut amazing. honestly if any of you would come down here adn see everything youll see there is a ton of progress, although there is alot of work, we are getting there.
thigns in the city are almost completely back, with a few exceptions, liek our st charles streetcars, the flea market isnt as big yet, and some of the shops.. but liek i said we are getting tehre, and if yall would really get the whole picture before making all of these coments i have a feeling yall will really change your opinions.
i knwo this was long, but you have to understand i was researching MRGO for a project, and i came upon yalls forum, and many of yalls comments jsut angered me so much, i jsut needed to respond, adn tell you the story as a person who witnessed it first hand in one of the areas who got some of the worst of the storm.
demidvalle, great first post! I grew up in Gretna and agree 1000%! Everything you said is dead on!
I am utterly amazed by anyone who can say that everyone who lives there should just move and New Orleans is not worth rebuilding. I would never even think that about a city that I saw a tragedy like that happen in. When the earthquakes happened in SF in 89, I didn't think, "Those people are stupid for living on a faultline." People who grew up in New Orleans (I include the surrounding area in this) feel a connection to the place and each other that is rare and valuable.
Again, everyone should read "1 Dead in Attic" by Chris Rose.
demidvalle, great first post! I grew up in Gretna and agree 1000%! Everything you said is dead on!
I am utterly amazed by anyone who can say that everyone who lives there should just move and New Orleans is not worth rebuilding. I would never even think that about a city that I saw a tragedy like that happen in. When the earthquakes happened in SF in 89, I didn't think, "Those people are stupid for living on a faultline." People who grew up in New Orleans (I include the surrounding area in this) feel a connection to the place and each other that is rare and valuable.
Again, everyone should read "1 Dead in Attic" by Chris Rose.
shouldnt certain sections of the city or areas not be rebuilt? maybe some areas be turned into high parkland and turn into a natural barrier? just curious to some thoughts on that?
shouldnt certain sections of the city or areas not be rebuilt? maybe some areas be turned into high parkland and turn into a natural barrier? just curious to some thoughts on that?
If you lived in those certain areas of the city and many generations have lived there, would you want someone saying they shouldn't be rebuilt? The levees need to be made what they should have been before Katrina and that will solve the problem.
If you lived in those certain areas of the city and many generations have lived there, would you want someone saying they shouldn't be rebuilt? The levees need to be made what they should have been before Katrina and that will solve the problem.
yea its not an easy decision. but I think rebuilding is just setting yourself up for another disaster.
what they should have been? you mean to protect from a cat 5 hurricane?
yea its not an easy decision. but I think rebuilding is just setting yourself up for another disaster.
what they should have been? you mean to protect from a cat 5 hurricane?
Yes to protect from a cat 5 hurricane.
Why is it setting up for another disaster? New Orleans hasn't had a hurricane hit it in a long time. Katrina didn't even hit it straight on and if the levees had been what they needed to be, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Where exactly would you have the people go in the places you don't want to rebuild in? I'm sure you would love to have someone tell you not to rebuild where you and your family has lived for generations.
Why is it setting up for another disaster? New Orleans hasn't had a hurricane hit it in a long time. Katrina didn't even hit it straight on and if the levees had been what they needed to be, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Where exactly would you have the people go in the places you don't want to rebuild in? I'm sure you would love to have someone tell you not to rebuild where you and your family has lived for generations.
first of all, I wouldnt live below sea level. second of all I dont want these areas to not be rebuilt. I just think its foolish. over time the sea will win.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
first of all, I wouldnt live below sea level. second of all I dont want these areas to not be rebuilt. I just think its foolish. over time the sea will win.
If you were born there you'd live below sea level, you arrogant prick.
If you were born there you'd live below sea level, you arrogant prick.
why you getting so defensive. I was merely making a suggestion and looking for opinions. im sorry for being smarter then you. like I said, mother nature will win.
why you getting so defensive. I was merely making a suggestion and looking for opinions. im sorry for being smarter then you. like I said, mother nature will win.
What makes you think you are smarter than me?
Hmmmm, why would I get defensive when you make glib comments about a place and many people that I love? Judging from your myspace page you have a strong affection for Chicago. How would you react if someone suggested you just move somewhere else?
why you getting so defensive. I was merely making a suggestion and looking for opinions. im sorry for being smarter then you. like I said, mother nature will win.
I also love how you say you are smarter than me but make many capitalization/punctuation mistakes and actually write "im sorry for being smarter then you." It really proves your point.
Hmmmm, why would I get defensive when you make glib comments about a place and many people that I love? Judging from your myspace page you have a strong affection for Chicago. How would you react if someone suggested you just move somewhere else?
i'm talking about places that are and have been wiped out. I'm not the first to suggest this. I remember seeing something on tv showing certain sections of the city that would be better used as a natural barrier to help protect the city. relax dude.
From what I understand they are planning on moving some property in-land to allow for a natural shield.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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I was thinking the whole cost of the war. You know toss in the fact that the soldiers would only have to fight the heat while helping to rebuild a piece of their own country. But hey, who am I to say what Uncle Sam should and shouldn't spend the money on.
I will reiterate what was said, that generations and generations of people lived there. It is a unique special place with a lot of problems but, having grown up there, I can say it is hard to leave.
Everyone should read "1 Dead in Attic" by Chris Rose.
yall are saying that yall feel liek we should jsut leave it al behind.. but we cant... i mean i could easily leave my house and my material posessions, but i know i have memories in my town... id never want to leave it... my whole family is here, all of my friends, basically my entire life, and if youre from new orleans, and for me half and half between new orleans and a smaller area outside of it... you cant jsut leave, youre used to one way of living, and i promise you theres no place we can go and actually feel the same... theres no place liek new orleans and such...
and yall say we should get rid of it because we cant protect it, but truthfully we've been hit by two big hurricanes in the past 100 years, and ours made a bigger impact only because of the weaker system we have, but that system can be fixed!! florida on the other hand is constantly being hit, yet there systems are strong enough? if our devastation had hit florida rather than us, i can guarantee you that people wouldnt say jsut get rid of it.
and yes we are marshes and wetlands, but theres so much more to it than just the "nasty swamp" picture yall think of. peopel make a livign off that swampy land. the shrimp, crabs, and fish yall probably eat often comes from us. and if we allow the wetlands in lousiana to deteriorate without any prevention, then that jsut makes it quicker for it to stretch and eventually louisiana will turn into swamps and other gulf states, adn sooner or later that will affect yall up north.
theres jsut so much culture here. sure we ahve problems, crime, of course, political issues, always, but so do other states. new york has crime rates taht are jsut off the charts, but peopel dont jsut tell them "hey get out of there and forget abotu that state" so why do it to us?
so many peopel have been displaced by this devastation, but if yall only knew the hope that these peopel have. it doesnt allways show because it does get hard at times, and i know all of us wonder why we even came back, but then that when we realize how much we love it and why taking the risk by staying is worth it.
there are so many ways to help us, the government can get the money. if they have the money to continue this war, taht really is jsut pride issue, and they have the money to re build other countries, then they have the money to re build their own lands, i can tell you most peopel love our city whether they come from ehre of came here at a later age.
my dad came to the US from Cuba, and i can tell you he loves living here more than anything. its jsut such a homely place, and the feeling of teh community and everything is jsut amazing. honestly if any of you would come down here adn see everything youll see there is a ton of progress, although there is alot of work, we are getting there.
thigns in the city are almost completely back, with a few exceptions, liek our st charles streetcars, the flea market isnt as big yet, and some of the shops.. but liek i said we are getting tehre, and if yall would really get the whole picture before making all of these coments i have a feeling yall will really change your opinions.
i knwo this was long, but you have to understand i was researching MRGO for a project, and i came upon yalls forum, and many of yalls comments jsut angered me so much, i jsut needed to respond, adn tell you the story as a person who witnessed it first hand in one of the areas who got some of the worst of the storm.
I am utterly amazed by anyone who can say that everyone who lives there should just move and New Orleans is not worth rebuilding. I would never even think that about a city that I saw a tragedy like that happen in. When the earthquakes happened in SF in 89, I didn't think, "Those people are stupid for living on a faultline." People who grew up in New Orleans (I include the surrounding area in this) feel a connection to the place and each other that is rare and valuable.
Again, everyone should read "1 Dead in Attic" by Chris Rose.
He sums up what I was trying to say nicely here:
http://www.katrina-la.net/letter-to-america.php
shouldnt certain sections of the city or areas not be rebuilt? maybe some areas be turned into high parkland and turn into a natural barrier? just curious to some thoughts on that?
If you lived in those certain areas of the city and many generations have lived there, would you want someone saying they shouldn't be rebuilt? The levees need to be made what they should have been before Katrina and that will solve the problem.
yea its not an easy decision. but I think rebuilding is just setting yourself up for another disaster.
what they should have been? you mean to protect from a cat 5 hurricane?
Yes to protect from a cat 5 hurricane.
Why is it setting up for another disaster? New Orleans hasn't had a hurricane hit it in a long time. Katrina didn't even hit it straight on and if the levees had been what they needed to be, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Where exactly would you have the people go in the places you don't want to rebuild in? I'm sure you would love to have someone tell you not to rebuild where you and your family has lived for generations.
first of all, I wouldnt live below sea level. second of all I dont want these areas to not be rebuilt. I just think its foolish. over time the sea will win.
If you were born there you'd live below sea level, you arrogant prick.
why you getting so defensive. I was merely making a suggestion and looking for opinions. im sorry for being smarter then you. like I said, mother nature will win.
What makes you think you are smarter than me?
Hmmmm, why would I get defensive when you make glib comments about a place and many people that I love? Judging from your myspace page you have a strong affection for Chicago. How would you react if someone suggested you just move somewhere else?
I also love how you say you are smarter than me but make many capitalization/punctuation mistakes and actually write "im sorry for being smarter then you." It really proves your point.
i'm talking about places that are and have been wiped out. I'm not the first to suggest this. I remember seeing something on tv showing certain sections of the city that would be better used as a natural barrier to help protect the city. relax dude.