UH OH!!!! N. Korea Launches Missile Into Sea of Japan

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Kim feels threatened by damn near anything, because isolation breeds paranoia. Sorry, but blaming the U.S. for this one just isn't that convincing.

    what do you expect from a guy named Kim. ;)
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    what do you expect from a guy named Kim. ;)

    Good point ... Of course, Kim Mitchell isn't this nutty, he just writes really bad songs. He must have found a better way to cope ...
    :)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Commy wrote:
    If the US would stop building bases and stepping up forces in the area I'm sure N. Korea would have no reason to feel threatened...its not like the world is in danger of being taken over by North Korea. They can't even feed their own people.


    exactly...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    my2hands wrote:
    exactly...

    Yes, exactly. All the ills of the world should fall directly upon American shoulders! Game, set .... MATCH!

    :)

    Alright, now I am just being goofy. But seriously. Should anyone who isn't an American in the world be held responsible for their actions, or is the entire world just a cult of victims? All kinds of other countries in the world manage to feed their people instead of building missiles, despite being dire enemies to the U.S. government.
    Iran ... Algeria ... Libya (once upon a time) ...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Yes, exactly. All the ills of the world should fall directly upon American shoulders! Game, set .... MATCH!

    :)

    Alright, now I am just being goofy. But seriously. Should anyone who isn't an American in the world be held responsible for their actions, or is the entire world just a cult of victims? All kinds of other countries in the world manage to feed their people instead of building missiles, despite being dire enemies to the U.S. government.
    Iran ... Algeria ... Libya (once upon a time) ...


    your 3 examples are worth a pile of shit... iran has a natural resource (oil)

    and i do believe iran is developing (or so i am told) nuclear weapons, and libya was doing the same until recently...

    algeria? not worth typing :)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    just more proof that the average american citizen is scared, paranoid, and full of fear... AKA easy to manipulate

    anyone that thinks north korea is a threat to the USA is a flat out fucking fool

    period
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Yes, exactly. All the ills of the world should fall directly upon American shoulders! Game, set .... MATCH!

    :)

    Alright, now I am just being goofy. But seriously. Should anyone who isn't an American in the world be held responsible for their actions, or is the entire world just a cult of victims? All kinds of other countries in the world manage to feed their people instead of building missiles, despite being dire enemies to the U.S. government.
    Iran ... Algeria ... Libya (once upon a time) ...

    So who holds these people responsible for their actions? The United States? Its should be fairly obvious by now that the US doesn't have the moral ground to stand on when deciding the course for other nations.

    Yeah, North Korea is spending more on weapons than food (so is the US), yeah they have a pretty repressive gov't that allows no dissent (same with dozens of US puppets), yeah, not hte greatest example of how to govern a piece of land. But we have no place in that decision..that's up to the people of the area.
    South Korea has the United States supplying it with some of the most advanced weapons in the world...and they have over 500,000 troops on standby, stationed on the border basically. Then the US has troops in the region, could get there at any second.

    It should be obvious who the intigator is here..
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Commy wrote:
    So who holds these people responsible for their actions? The United States? Its should be fairly obvious by now that the US doesn't have the moral ground to stand on when deciding the course for other nations.



    Yeah, North Korea is spending more on weapons than food (so is the US), yeah they have a pretty repressive gov't that allows no dissent (same with dozens of US puppets), yeah, not hte greatest example of how to govern a piece of land. But we have no place in that decision..that's up to the people of the area.
    South Korea has the United States supplying it with some of the most advanced weapons in the world...and they have over 500,000 troops on standby, stationed on the border basically. Then the US has troops in the region, could get there at any second.

    It should be obvious who the intigator is here..


    what? instigator? I'm not sure I follow no one wants to invade North Korea, they want to keep him out of South Korea. What could the US possibly want from North Korea? North Korea is one of the most insignificant worthless countries in the entire world. Thier claim to fame is having a little asshole in power that desperately, desperately desires attention. That's what this is about. A military state, pouring what little they actually do have into the 1.08 million armed troops. KJI really wants all of Korea, so he'll force his country to eat bark while he pours money into a hopeless missile program to try and give his regime some kind of credibility all the while ruining the quality of life for every citizen of his country.

    This whole shit is about KJI trying to blackmail the US into giving him money to disarm a pathetically inadequate nuclear missile program. Basically, he wants money and recognition and power, will he spend it trying to help his country and the people? NO. Hell no, he'll go to china with that dough and try to buy a better missile program. So he can do exactly the same thing again and again and again. He's basically John Gotti, only he's selling protection from a gun that shoots paper balls.

    So say he does take over South Korea does it stop then? Nope, South Korea just becomes as shitty as North Korea.....Rinse Lather Repeat.

    The best thing we can do is send a few tactical air strikes in to completely demolish thier missile silos, and then keep ignoring North Korea. I feel bad for the people, but untill KJI dies and or the regime is done, life really isn't going to get better for them.


    It's extortion, it's just on a really really large scale.

    well I think Japan has requested an immediate meeting of the UN security council I guess that's who is supposed to help prevent this type of thing.

    I agree with you that no country in the world is beyond any moral reproach especially the US, but the US might be the only one with the means to stop this type of thing.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    what? instigator? What do you mean what could the US possibly want from North Korea? North Korea is one of the most insignificant worthless countries in the entire world. Thier claim to fame is having a little asshole in power that desperately, desperately desires attention. That's what this is about. A military state, pouring what little they actually do have into the 1.08 million armed troops. KJI really wants all of Korea, so he'll force his country to eat bark while he pours money into a hopeless missile program to try and give his regime some kind of credibility all the while ruining the quality of life for every citizen of his country.

    An idea...

    The US did attack North Korea in the past...is arming its neighbor...and so on. NOrth Korea isn't threatening the United States...I really don't see why anyone is worked up abou this.

    But as to why the U Swould take interest in North Korea-indochina is on the list of geographical areas to be sucked into US hegemony...their isn't a place inteh world exempt from that plan...N. Korea happens to be a nuclear power-not cooprerating with thte US but not fucking with them either...againt eh US is playing hte bully, do what I say typoe of situation.

    And we need to realize that North Korea has every reason to be paranoid of an attack-it's happened before.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    Commy wrote:
    If the US would stop building bases and stepping up forces in the area I'm sure N. Korea would have no reason to feel threatened...its not like the world is in danger of being taken over by North Korea. They can't even feed their own people.

    It's not the people who feel threatened... it's one of the most vile and illegitimate regimes on the planet that feel threateded & they should.

    Their days are numbered.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    Commy wrote:
    Nut job, good one...so are you saying the US doesn't have forces in the region and hasn't been arming South Korea and hasn't attacked North Korea in the past? Are you saying the millions of Koreans killed in the 60's by US forces give North Korea no cause for concern?

    Wow, those statments seem to be made with a total lack of knowledge... as if you live in a bubble.

    Do you think Kim Jogn Il is a legitimate leader and his government should not only be recognized, but also encouraged and helped?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    NCfan wrote:
    Wow, those statments seem to be made with a total lack of knowledge... as if you live in a bubble.

    Do you think Kim Jogn Il is a legitimate leader and his government should not only be recognized, but also encouraged and helped?

    I'm not defending Kim Jong Il in anyway, but why is he not a legitimate leader and why should the government not be recognized. There are other governments out there who are equally as brutal that we not only recognize but do business with.
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  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    mammasan wrote:
    I'm not defending Kim Jong Il in anyway, but why is he not a legitimate leader and why should the government not be recognized. There are other governments out there who are equally as brutal that we not only recognize but do business with.

    I'm not aware of any country that is remotely on the level of North Korea that the U.S. does business with.

    There are many, many good docementaries about N. Korea, KJI and his father that would probably be very enlightening for you to see. I'm just throwing that out there, becuase you appear to think that KJI is a legitimate leader.

    He is easily in the top five of the worst human beings alive on the planet if you ask me.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm not aware of any country that is remotely on the level of North Korea that the U.S. does business with.

    There are many, many good docementaries about N. Korea, KJI and his father that would probably be very enlightening for you to see. I'm just throwing that out there, becuase you appear to think that KJI is a legitimate leader.

    He is easily in the top five of the worst human beings alive on the planet if you ask me.


    I know what there is to know about Kim Jong Il and his father, thanks though. I would have to say what China has done to Tibet can rank up there with North Korea yet they are given prefered nation status. What about our support of Suharto it wasn't untill 1998 that we finally ended our relationship with him. I'm not going to list all our past dealings but it seems we turn a blind eye when it is convenient for us. Like I said I'm not defending Kim Jong Il nor am I do I think the man belongs in power I'm just a little tired of the double standard is all.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    NCfan wrote:
    Wow, those statments seem to be made with a total lack of knowledge... as if you live in a bubble.

    Do you think Kim Jogn Il is a legitimate leader and his government should not only be recognized, but also encouraged and helped?


    I think threats and war have never solved anything...yet the US continues to use these as legitimate ways to force sovereign nations to do their bidding.

    He simply made a calim that he'd defend his country if attacked..and now has shown that he can. That's the reality of the situation. And all I've claimed.
  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    Commy wrote:
    An idea...

    The US did attack North Korea in the past...is arming its neighbor...and so on. NOrth Korea isn't threatening the United States...I really don't see why anyone is worked up abou this.

    But as to why the U Swould take interest in North Korea-indochina is on the list of geographical areas to be sucked into US hegemony...their isn't a place inteh world exempt from that plan...N. Korea happens to be a nuclear power-not cooprerating with thte US but not fucking with them either...againt eh US is playing hte bully, do what I say typoe of situation.

    And we need to realize that North Korea has every reason to be paranoid of an attack-it's happened before.

    Paranoid about a US attack? If you can't see that this is about getting the US to write ANOTHER check to them in an "agreement", you are the blind one. This is nothing more than an attempt to get some cash....and why shouldn't they? We've paid them off in the past. Look how well that turned out, thanks Bill. And no, they're not a threat to us, which is exactly why we should ignore them and not give them a damn thing.

    It is nothing more than "waaaaa look at us...look at us". Fuck 'em.
  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    mammasan wrote:
    I know what there is to know about Kim Jong Il and his father, thanks though. I would have to say what China has done to Tibet can rank up there with North Korea yet they are given prefered nation status. What about our support of Suharto it wasn't untill 1998 that we finally ended our relationship with him. I'm not going to list all our past dealings but it seems we turn a blind eye when it is convenient for us. Like I said I'm not defending Kim Jong Il nor am I do I think the man belongs in power I'm just a little tired of the double standard is all.


    You make a good point, if there is something for us to gain (oil, goods), we'll support them..if not, they're on the axis of evil list.
  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    is this the same north korea that invaded south korea? no, no reason for them to be on the offensive I guess. Surely they wouldn't do it again.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    audome25 wrote:
    is this the same north korea that invaded south korea? no, no reason for them to be on the offensive I guess. Surely they wouldn't do it again.

    Not unless they wanted to be blown off the map. kim Jong Il maybe an evil bastard but he's not stupid. He knows that any hostility toward South Korea would be his biggest and last mistake.
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