FDA set to OK food from cloned animals

hippiemom wrote:

You've seen what's happened with genetically modified plants ... corporations patent the genetic design and make it illegal for farmers to harvest their own seeds, or they modify the plants so they don't produce seeds at all. This forces the farmer to buy seeds from Monsanto or whichever other company every year. .

GMO's are genetically modified organisms....meaning PLANTS AND ANIMALS.

go here to learn about one of the best/most successful projects i think has ever been done. how can you argue with introducing essential vitamins and nutrients into a staple food like rice so that underdeveloped countries can help their malnourished population avoid life altering consequences??
http://www.goldenrice.org/

also....i love these kinda stats...this was on that same page on the left hand side....it shows that most people dont understand enough about the basic properties of life to make such assumptions on GMO's
"Imrproving, but still 59% of Europeans believe that tomatoes, and for that sake plants in general, do not contain DNA. It doesn't come as a suprise then that they would like to keep it that way." for more info like this click on the Eurobarometer 2005 link to see an 85 page report on europeans perceptions and knowlegde about biotechnology....see page 59 for a 10 question survey and their surprising answers....

in the time between wrote:

I think this brand of science is so disturbing to people because we are messing with the natural order of things and, that could have serious consequences on our health and the health of the planet.

Here's an interesting read if you're interested--50 Harmful Effects of Genetically Modified Foods:

http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm

" Recombinant DNA technology faces our society with problems unprecedented not only in the history of science, but of life on Earth. It places in human hands the capacity to redesign living organisms, the products of three billion years of evolution. Such intervention must not be confused with previous intrusions upon the natural order of living organisms: animal and plant breeding…All the earlier procedures worked within single or closely related species…Our morality up to now has been to go ahead without restriction to learn all that we can about nature. Restructuring nature was not part of the bargain…this direction may be not only unwise, but dangerous. Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics." - Dr. George Wald: Nobel Laureate in Medicine, 1967 (dude was even on it back then!)

sure we are fucking with natural selection and evolution. but if you take this side of opposition you should also be opposed to taking drugs to reduce your blood pressure or drugs to reduce your fever....and you should be opposed to getting any type of surgury. Because all those are medical technologies which have prolonged peoples lifespan. once again...i ask you to put yourself in that ailing persons shoes...if YOUR child for example got a really high fever and you refused to give them tylenol or advil to lower their body temp...that child would die. is THAT ok?? if you were born with the gene that pre-disposes you to breast cancer...and you got cancer when you were 20...would you just say..."well such is life...i wasnt meant to live and pass on these 'defective genes' to my kids...so im better off dead". because if you oppose biotech advances....you should not take advantage of them.

ALL these things fuck with natural selection....sure....but we are smart enough to figure out how to advance our species forward....and that alone shows that we have evolved to do just that....our bigger brains have evolved over time and now we can use them to protect ourselves from the elements.

eventually we will become too smart for our own good...and natural selectioin will still run its course.

hippiemom wrote:

Cloned pregnancies have a very high failure rate. The fetuses that do survive tend to grow much larger than naturally conceived fetuses. They have a hugely higher rate of birth defects. They develop diseases at a higher rate. They die much earlier. This tells me that something is going on that we don't really understand ... or, the people who do understand it are not talking about it. Personally, I would not eat this stuff or feed it to my kids.

High failure rates are to be expected as they are in artificial infertilisations, but when these are succesful the offspring are no different are they?

Like I said the DNA is modified prior to digetstion so it has NO consequences for human consumption. What you are drawing is a very vague and ultimately irrelevent because you don't incorporate the DNA form the food you eat directly. Of course the animals will grow larger- they are templates of the best animals so I don't see the problem?

hippiemom wrote:

That's scary enough, and I haven't even touched yet on the potential ramifications on the public health. I've read enough about how the FDA works to know I don't trust them as far as I could throw my car. They will not protect the public, we are going to have to make some noise about this.

you're one of THOSE people....*Sigh* :rolleyes:

Sorry I just now noticed your response...

tremorvoid wrote:

come on you guys....do you really live in THAT much fear that you foresee them "slapping that arm onto a cloned cows body and giving it an M-16"???? ya know....the majority of scientists have good morals. besides it would never be cost effective to engineer arms in mass quantity to generate a "cloned army". .

Haha, I don’t fear it I encourage it…That was just an extreme exaggeration to try and make a point…the point being we are knocking on the door with this technology.

on the flipside...if sounds like your buddy is doing excellant work. I would LOVE to get involved with stem cell/regenerative research.

Yes. It’s amazing what he’s doing. He’s usually got sailing or strippers on his mind when I’m around him, but I always try to tap his brain for as much information on the subject as I can get. I’m not sure he was supposed to tell me about the arm…

answer me this...if you were unfortunate enough to lose an arm, an eye, an ear (did you see the episode of nip/tuck about growing an ear on a mouse?)....and we were able to create a replacement body part for you so you could live your life more normally....or if you needed a transplant of say an organ but in reality you would die before one was available....put yourself in that position....if something could be done to save your life or make your life more livable....wouldnt you want to give it a chance?? even if you are against this type of research now....i can almost guarentee you that if the tides shifted and you could benefit from it...youd view things a bit differently.

No you got me all wrong, that’s ok, and it’s probably my fault for not being clear.
If I had a pancreas, or limb or something damaged I would be all over it. And your right, tides do shift when something tragic hits close to home. I just lost one of my best ski buddies a few days ago. He was in a car accident severing a nerve in his spine leaving him paraplegic, apparently complications caught up to him. I wish he could have benefited from this technology somehow…sorry about the downer. Be sure to hug your loved ones every chance you get…

Maybe you should adjust your field of study and get into it, plenty of room…I would love to love what I do for a living…

saw on the news that this has been approved.
I am finally becoming a vegetarian.

fucking criminal FDA could give a fuck about our health!! just keep those chemical / pharmaceutical company payoffs coming!!!!


cloned meat and genetically modified veggies = population control + profit

JamMastaE wrote:

sorry to burst your bubble but you're not safe either my friend.



http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/AboutGeneticallyModifiedFoods/index.cfm

Yup. Big business gets its hands on everything. When nature can't even be natural, you know you're in for trouble. Humankind's its own worst enemy.

Some may find this site interesting and informative:

http://home.intekom.com/tm_info/rw91231.htm#01

As well, there's another thread on the go about a media blackout over deaths as a result of a vomitting virus in the UK, and the article posted states this: "Of the greatest concern, however, of these events are the British peoples following the dangerous path of their American counterparts by consuming vast quantities of genetically modified (GM) foods, and which scientific reports have proven allow new viruses to enter the human body leading to weakened immune systems." - http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1062.htm

How is it that we've survived thus far and yet, somehow, we feel the need to modify what's natural? I mean, from a natural crop, we are rendered seeds and those seeds are replanted and regrow and so on. I can't understand how companies like Monsanto think that making seeds that only allow one crop and then destroy themselves are going to sustain the planet...and who knows what effect these GM foods are actually having on our health.

Wasn't the peanut one of the first GM products? I don't recall as many kids being allergic to peanuts when I was a kid as there are today.

On a side note-I miss hippiemom! :(