Meat and milk from cloned animals could appear on Australian dinner tables after the United States made a preliminary ruling that it is safe to eat.
Australia's food regulator said the US decision would influence a current inquiry into Australian standards, while Prime Minister John Howard did not rule out cloned meat being imported.
Australia has a voluntary moratorium on cloned animals and their offspring entering the food chain but the issue is under review.
An inter-departmental committee on cloning, led by the federal Department of Health and Ageing, has been charged with recommending future regulations for Australia.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ) said the committee would consider the same scientific evidence the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) used to make its draft ruling that milk and meat from cloned cattle, pig and goats were safe to consume.
The committee is already consulting with the FDA, and with authorities in New Zealand, Canada and Japan.
"We are looking at how we might regulate food from cloned animals and their offspring," FSANZ spokeswoman Lydia Buchtmann said.
"We'll certainly be looking at the research they've done in doing our safety assessment."
Meanwhile, Mr Howard has not ruled out Australians eating cloned meat from the United States, although beef imports currently are banned.
WILLIAMSPORT, Md. — For nearly four years, dairy farmer Greg Wiles has poured milk from his cloned cows down the drain in compliance with a voluntary ban on food from cloned livestock.
Now in financial straits, Wiles says he may be forced to sell his cloned cows for hamburger.
The Food and Drug Administration says that's probably safe, but pressure from the food industry has kept the agency from approving it. Milk and meat marketers worry that consumers won't accept food from cloned animals.
Wiles says he doesn't want the animals killed -- he says one of the clones, Cyagra, has had health problems and should be studied. Cyagra has never grown to full size, aborted her first calf and had another that died a month after it was born. Wiles has offered her to the government for research. The government has declined.
An industry group, the International Dairy Foods Association, hopes that Wiles will abide by the voluntary moratorium and keep his clones out of the food supply. The association, which represents brands such as Kraft, Dannon and Borden, says it believes all farmers have complied with the ban.
WILLIAMSPORT, Md. — For nearly four years, dairy farmer Greg Wiles has poured milk from his cloned cows down the drain in compliance with a voluntary ban on food from cloned livestock.
Now in financial straits, Wiles says he may be forced to sell his cloned cows for hamburger.
The Food and Drug Administration says that's probably safe, but pressure from the food industry has kept the agency from approving it. Milk and meat marketers worry that consumers won't accept food from cloned animals.
Wiles says he doesn't want the animals killed -- he says one of the clones, Cyagra, has had health problems and should be studied. Cyagra has never grown to full size, aborted her first calf and had another that died a month after it was born. Wiles has offered her to the government for research. The government has declined.
An industry group, the International Dairy Foods Association, hopes that Wiles will abide by the voluntary moratorium and keep his clones out of the food supply. The association, which represents brands such as Kraft, Dannon and Borden, says it believes all farmers have complied with the ban.
Who knows, I mean desperate times desperate meausres eh.
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Maybe a few have gotten in, I dunno, but i think that since the FDA has given the thumbs up as far as health concers go, maybe some farmers will start slowy "sending out the clones".
Who knows, I mean desperate times desperate meausres eh.
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Maybe a few have gotten in, I dunno, but i think that since the FDA has given the thumbs up as far as health concers go, maybe some farmers will start slowy "sending out the clones".
Let's hope it's not that easy.
I guess I'm slow on the news. I didn't even know there were private farmers doing this already in America.
Why does an animal with the same genetic material as another become poisonous or dangerous? The DNA is not manipulated or altered, the genome is intact. In any case the genome is altered prior to digestion from its original form to amino acids so it is not incorporated intact into your own genetic information. People are like sheep on issues where they should be thinking critically.
This post is not at all meant to be combative, or arguementative, just want to satisfy a general curiousity....
In general, the liberal side tends to strongly favor a Science based approach to life- things like faith, religion, etc are not as accepted.
Science is pointed to for global warming, evolution, stem cells, etc...
Why is the science of cloning, and subsequently the thought of food products from those scientifically produced animals so scary/negative?
I have yet to form a strong opinion on the matter, on the surface it doesnt bother me all that much, i was just curious why this particular brand of science seems to be so disturbing to a lot of you.
I think this brand of science is so disturbing to people because we are messing with the natural order of things and, that could have serious consequences on our health and the health of the planet.
Here's an interesting read if you're interested--50 Harmful Effects of Genetically Modified Foods:
" Recombinant DNA technology faces our society with problems unprecedented not only in the history of science, but of life on Earth. It places in human hands the capacity to redesign living organisms, the products of three billion years of evolution. Such intervention must not be confused with previous intrusions upon the natural order of living organisms: animal and plant breeding…All the earlier procedures worked within single or closely related species…Our morality up to now has been to go ahead without restriction to learn all that we can about nature. Restructuring nature was not part of the bargain…this direction may be not only unwise, but dangerous. Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics." - Dr. George Wald: Nobel Laureate in Medicine, 1967 (dude was even on it back then!)
"It's an intense time in, uh, United States history. People need to be active n' not distracted n', uh, that's just how I feel." - Eddie Vedder
"Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
Why does an animal with the same genetic material as another become poisonous or dangerous? The DNA is not manipulated or altered, the genome is intact. In any case the genome is altered prior to digestion from its original form to amino acids so it is not incorporated intact into your own genetic information. People are like sheep on issues where they should be thinking critically.
Cloned pregnancies have a very high failure rate. The fetuses that do survive tend to grow much larger than naturally conceived fetuses. They have a hugely higher rate of birth defects. They develop diseases at a higher rate. They die much earlier. This tells me that something is going on that we don't really understand ... or, the people who do understand it are not talking about it. Personally, I would not eat this stuff or feed it to my kids.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Yeah, because the FDA has been soooooooooo thorough and reliable in the past:rolleyes:
Them saying the FDA has concluded that there is no difference and it's safe to eat cloned animals; is the equivelent of the Lyndhurst, New Jersey chapter of the Star Trek Fan Club saying it's safe.
For some reason, I don't believe it. Call me crazy.
you do realize that the FDA has very strict requirements before they will allow a product to be available for human consumption? These strict requirements are why it takes on average 10-15 years of animal testing and 3 stages of human trials before a drug is available to the general population. This costs a LOT of money and most drugs never make it thru the screening process (the reason why RX drugs are so expensive)...however it is necessary to protect you the consumer from nasty side effects that could kill you.
if you cant trust the FDA...you really shouldnt be eating anything you can buy at the store or taking ANY drugs OTC or RX...because they may not know their shit enough to keep you safe from things. :rolleyes:
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
You've seen what's happened with genetically modified plants ... corporations patent the genetic design and make it illegal for farmers to harvest their own seeds, or they modify the plants so they don't produce seeds at all. This forces the farmer to buy seeds from Monsanto or whichever other company every year. .
GMO's are genetically modified organisms....meaning PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
go here to learn about one of the best/most successful projects i think has ever been done. how can you argue with introducing essential vitamins and nutrients into a staple food like rice so that underdeveloped countries can help their malnourished population avoid life altering consequences?? http://www.goldenrice.org/
also....i love these kinda stats...this was on that same page on the left hand side....it shows that most people dont understand enough about the basic properties of life to make such assumptions on GMO's
"Imrproving, but still 59% of Europeans believe that tomatoes, and for that sake plants in general, do not contain DNA. It doesn't come as a suprise then that they would like to keep it that way." for more info like this click on the Eurobarometer 2005 link to see an 85 page report on europeans perceptions and knowlegde about biotechnology....see page 59 for a 10 question survey and their surprising answers....
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
Yes. The technology is mind blowing, or to me anyway. A guy I sail with is a head stem cell researcher at UCI. One of his projects is growing an arm out of stem cell goo, around a titanium bone structure. They control it from one end by electronic impulses or commands. Pardon the Layman’s terms but still…how far away are they from slapping that arm onto a cloned cows’s body and giving it an M-16? That’s a rhetorical by the way.
come on you guys....do you really live in THAT much fear that you foresee them "slapping that arm onto a cloned cows body and giving it an M-16"???? ya know....the majority of scientists have good morals. besides it would never be cost effective to engineer arms in mass quantity to generate a "cloned army".
on the flipside...if sounds like your buddy is doing excellant work. I would LOVE to get involved with stem cell/regenerative research.
answer me this...if you were unfortunate enough to lose an arm, an eye, an ear (did you see the episode of nip/tuck about growing an ear on a mouse?)....and we were able to create a replacement body part for you so you could live your life more normally....or if you needed a transplant of say an organ but in reality you would die before one was available....put yourself in that position....if something could be done to save your life or make your life more livable....wouldnt you want to give it a chance?? even if you are against this type of research now....i can almost guarentee you that if the tides shifted and you could benefit from it...youd view things a bit differently.
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
I think this brand of science is so disturbing to people because we are messing with the natural order of things and, that could have serious consequences on our health and the health of the planet.
Here's an interesting read if you're interested--50 Harmful Effects of Genetically Modified Foods:
" Recombinant DNA technology faces our society with problems unprecedented not only in the history of science, but of life on Earth. It places in human hands the capacity to redesign living organisms, the products of three billion years of evolution. Such intervention must not be confused with previous intrusions upon the natural order of living organisms: animal and plant breeding…All the earlier procedures worked within single or closely related species…Our morality up to now has been to go ahead without restriction to learn all that we can about nature. Restructuring nature was not part of the bargain…this direction may be not only unwise, but dangerous. Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics." - Dr. George Wald: Nobel Laureate in Medicine, 1967 (dude was even on it back then!)
sure we are fucking with natural selection and evolution. but if you take this side of opposition you should also be opposed to taking drugs to reduce your blood pressure or drugs to reduce your fever....and you should be opposed to getting any type of surgury. Because all those are medical technologies which have prolonged peoples lifespan. once again...i ask you to put yourself in that ailing persons shoes...if YOUR child for example got a really high fever and you refused to give them tylenol or advil to lower their body temp...that child would die. is THAT ok?? if you were born with the gene that pre-disposes you to breast cancer...and you got cancer when you were 20...would you just say..."well such is life...i wasnt meant to live and pass on these 'defective genes' to my kids...so im better off dead". because if you oppose biotech advances....you should not take advantage of them.
ALL these things fuck with natural selection....sure....but we are smart enough to figure out how to advance our species forward....and that alone shows that we have evolved to do just that....our bigger brains have evolved over time and now we can use them to protect ourselves from the elements.
eventually we will become too smart for our own good...and natural selectioin will still run its course.
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
Cloned pregnancies have a very high failure rate. The fetuses that do survive tend to grow much larger than naturally conceived fetuses. They have a hugely higher rate of birth defects. They develop diseases at a higher rate. They die much earlier. This tells me that something is going on that we don't really understand ... or, the people who do understand it are not talking about it. Personally, I would not eat this stuff or feed it to my kids.
they die because we are fucking with their natural processes...and cloning is rather inefficient. it seems to me that most peoples real problem here is the harm caused to the animals instead of the products we get from them. Yes i agree that this can and should be considered animal cruelty, and for THAT REASON ALONE...cloned ANIMALS should not become the primary source of food. But due to the cost and inefficient nature of cloning...i really dont foresee them ever "taking over" our food supply.
as far as high death rates....we eventually kill all our animals before we eat them...so they are going to die whether they are cloned or natural. if this bothers you....i would assume you are a veggietarian.
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
Cloned pregnancies have a very high failure rate. The fetuses that do survive tend to grow much larger than naturally conceived fetuses. They have a hugely higher rate of birth defects. They develop diseases at a higher rate. They die much earlier. This tells me that something is going on that we don't really understand ... or, the people who do understand it are not talking about it. Personally, I would not eat this stuff or feed it to my kids.
High failure rates are to be expected as they are in artificial infertilisations, but when these are succesful the offspring are no different are they?
Like I said the DNA is modified prior to digetstion so it has NO consequences for human consumption. What you are drawing is a very vague and ultimately irrelevent because you don't incorporate the DNA form the food you eat directly. Of course the animals will grow larger- they are templates of the best animals so I don't see the problem?
That's scary enough, and I haven't even touched yet on the potential ramifications on the public health. I've read enough about how the FDA works to know I don't trust them as far as I could throw my car. They will not protect the public, we are going to have to make some noise about this.
come on you guys....do you really live in THAT much fear that you foresee them "slapping that arm onto a cloned cows body and giving it an M-16"???? ya know....the majority of scientists have good morals. besides it would never be cost effective to engineer arms in mass quantity to generate a "cloned army". .
Haha, I don’t fear it I encourage it…That was just an extreme exaggeration to try and make a point…the point being we are knocking on the door with this technology.
on the flipside...if sounds like your buddy is doing excellant work. I would LOVE to get involved with stem cell/regenerative research.
Yes. It’s amazing what he’s doing. He’s usually got sailing or strippers on his mind when I’m around him, but I always try to tap his brain for as much information on the subject as I can get. I’m not sure he was supposed to tell me about the arm…
answer me this...if you were unfortunate enough to lose an arm, an eye, an ear (did you see the episode of nip/tuck about growing an ear on a mouse?)....and we were able to create a replacement body part for you so you could live your life more normally....or if you needed a transplant of say an organ but in reality you would die before one was available....put yourself in that position....if something could be done to save your life or make your life more livable....wouldnt you want to give it a chance?? even if you are against this type of research now....i can almost guarentee you that if the tides shifted and you could benefit from it...youd view things a bit differently.
No you got me all wrong, that’s ok, and it’s probably my fault for not being clear.
If I had a pancreas, or limb or something damaged I would be all over it. And your right, tides do shift when something tragic hits close to home. I just lost one of my best ski buddies a few days ago. He was in a car accident severing a nerve in his spine leaving him paraplegic, apparently complications caught up to him. I wish he could have benefited from this technology somehow…sorry about the downer. Be sure to hug your loved ones every chance you get…
Maybe you should adjust your field of study and get into it, plenty of room…I would love to love what I do for a living…
The FDA might want to consider cloning honeybees while we're at it. The population has been cut in half over the last few years, and honeybees account for nearly 30% of our agriculture due to pollination.
fucking criminal FDA could give a fuck about our health!! just keep those chemical / pharmaceutical company payoffs coming!!!!
cloned meat and genetically modified veggies = population control + profit
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
As well, there's another thread on the go about a media blackout over deaths as a result of a vomitting virus in the UK, and the article posted states this: "Of the greatest concern, however, of these events are the British peoples following the dangerous path of their American counterparts by consuming vast quantities of genetically modified (GM) foods, and which scientific reports have proven allow new viruses to enter the human body leading to weakened immune systems." - http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1062.htm
How is it that we've survived thus far and yet, somehow, we feel the need to modify what's natural? I mean, from a natural crop, we are rendered seeds and those seeds are replanted and regrow and so on. I can't understand how companies like Monsanto think that making seeds that only allow one crop and then destroy themselves are going to sustain the planet...and who knows what effect these GM foods are actually having on our health.
Wasn't the peanut one of the first GM products? I don't recall as many kids being allergic to peanuts when I was a kid as there are today.
On a side note-I miss hippiemom! :(
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Friday, 29 December 2006
By Jane Bunce
Meat and milk from cloned animals could appear on Australian dinner tables after the United States made a preliminary ruling that it is safe to eat.
Australia's food regulator said the US decision would influence a current inquiry into Australian standards, while Prime Minister John Howard did not rule out cloned meat being imported.
Australia has a voluntary moratorium on cloned animals and their offspring entering the food chain but the issue is under review.
An inter-departmental committee on cloning, led by the federal Department of Health and Ageing, has been charged with recommending future regulations for Australia.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ) said the committee would consider the same scientific evidence the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) used to make its draft ruling that milk and meat from cloned cattle, pig and goats were safe to consume.
The committee is already consulting with the FDA, and with authorities in New Zealand, Canada and Japan.
"We are looking at how we might regulate food from cloned animals and their offspring," FSANZ spokeswoman Lydia Buchtmann said.
"We'll certainly be looking at the research they've done in doing our safety assessment."
Meanwhile, Mr Howard has not ruled out Australians eating cloned meat from the United States, although beef imports currently are banned.
http://wauchope.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=national%20news&subclass=general&story_id=543498&category=General&m=&y=
WILLIAMSPORT, Md. — For nearly four years, dairy farmer Greg Wiles has poured milk from his cloned cows down the drain in compliance with a voluntary ban on food from cloned livestock.
Now in financial straits, Wiles says he may be forced to sell his cloned cows for hamburger.
The Food and Drug Administration says that's probably safe, but pressure from the food industry has kept the agency from approving it. Milk and meat marketers worry that consumers won't accept food from cloned animals.
Wiles says he doesn't want the animals killed -- he says one of the clones, Cyagra, has had health problems and should be studied. Cyagra has never grown to full size, aborted her first calf and had another that died a month after it was born. Wiles has offered her to the government for research. The government has declined.
An industry group, the International Dairy Foods Association, hopes that Wiles will abide by the voluntary moratorium and keep his clones out of the food supply. The association, which represents brands such as Kraft, Dannon and Borden, says it believes all farmers have complied with the ban.
The FDA urges Wiles to comply as well, spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said. "FDA has asked farmers voluntarily to refrain from putting meat or milk from cloned animals into the food supply until the agency's risk assessment is complete," Arbesfeld said
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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/BUSINESS/612260323
The article was a few days before the "ok"
The government does'nt want to study the sick cow?
Good Christ, it's already out there?
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Who knows, I mean desperate times desperate meausres eh.
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Maybe a few have gotten in, I dunno, but i think that since the FDA has given the thumbs up as far as health concers go, maybe some farmers will start slowy "sending out the clones".
Let's hope it's not that easy.
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In general, the liberal side tends to strongly favor a Science based approach to life- things like faith, religion, etc are not as accepted.
Science is pointed to for global warming, evolution, stem cells, etc...
Why is the science of cloning, and subsequently the thought of food products from those scientifically produced animals so scary/negative?
I have yet to form a strong opinion on the matter, on the surface it doesnt bother me all that much, i was just curious why this particular brand of science seems to be so disturbing to a lot of you.
Here's an interesting read if you're interested--50 Harmful Effects of Genetically Modified Foods:
http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm
" Recombinant DNA technology faces our society with problems unprecedented not only in the history of science, but of life on Earth. It places in human hands the capacity to redesign living organisms, the products of three billion years of evolution. Such intervention must not be confused with previous intrusions upon the natural order of living organisms: animal and plant breeding…All the earlier procedures worked within single or closely related species…Our morality up to now has been to go ahead without restriction to learn all that we can about nature. Restructuring nature was not part of the bargain…this direction may be not only unwise, but dangerous. Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics." - Dr. George Wald: Nobel Laureate in Medicine, 1967 (dude was even on it back then!)
"Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
you do realize that the FDA has very strict requirements before they will allow a product to be available for human consumption? These strict requirements are why it takes on average 10-15 years of animal testing and 3 stages of human trials before a drug is available to the general population. This costs a LOT of money and most drugs never make it thru the screening process (the reason why RX drugs are so expensive)...however it is necessary to protect you the consumer from nasty side effects that could kill you.
if you cant trust the FDA...you really shouldnt be eating anything you can buy at the store or taking ANY drugs OTC or RX...because they may not know their shit enough to keep you safe from things. :rolleyes:
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
GMO's are genetically modified organisms....meaning PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
go here to learn about one of the best/most successful projects i think has ever been done. how can you argue with introducing essential vitamins and nutrients into a staple food like rice so that underdeveloped countries can help their malnourished population avoid life altering consequences??
http://www.goldenrice.org/
also....i love these kinda stats...this was on that same page on the left hand side....it shows that most people dont understand enough about the basic properties of life to make such assumptions on GMO's
"Imrproving, but still 59% of Europeans believe that tomatoes, and for that sake plants in general, do not contain DNA. It doesn't come as a suprise then that they would like to keep it that way." for more info like this click on the Eurobarometer 2005 link to see an 85 page report on europeans perceptions and knowlegde about biotechnology....see page 59 for a 10 question survey and their surprising answers....
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
come on you guys....do you really live in THAT much fear that you foresee them "slapping that arm onto a cloned cows body and giving it an M-16"???? ya know....the majority of scientists have good morals. besides it would never be cost effective to engineer arms in mass quantity to generate a "cloned army".
on the flipside...if sounds like your buddy is doing excellant work. I would LOVE to get involved with stem cell/regenerative research.
answer me this...if you were unfortunate enough to lose an arm, an eye, an ear (did you see the episode of nip/tuck about growing an ear on a mouse?)....and we were able to create a replacement body part for you so you could live your life more normally....or if you needed a transplant of say an organ but in reality you would die before one was available....put yourself in that position....if something could be done to save your life or make your life more livable....wouldnt you want to give it a chance?? even if you are against this type of research now....i can almost guarentee you that if the tides shifted and you could benefit from it...youd view things a bit differently.
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
sure we are fucking with natural selection and evolution. but if you take this side of opposition you should also be opposed to taking drugs to reduce your blood pressure or drugs to reduce your fever....and you should be opposed to getting any type of surgury. Because all those are medical technologies which have prolonged peoples lifespan. once again...i ask you to put yourself in that ailing persons shoes...if YOUR child for example got a really high fever and you refused to give them tylenol or advil to lower their body temp...that child would die. is THAT ok?? if you were born with the gene that pre-disposes you to breast cancer...and you got cancer when you were 20...would you just say..."well such is life...i wasnt meant to live and pass on these 'defective genes' to my kids...so im better off dead". because if you oppose biotech advances....you should not take advantage of them.
ALL these things fuck with natural selection....sure....but we are smart enough to figure out how to advance our species forward....and that alone shows that we have evolved to do just that....our bigger brains have evolved over time and now we can use them to protect ourselves from the elements.
eventually we will become too smart for our own good...and natural selectioin will still run its course.
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
they die because we are fucking with their natural processes...and cloning is rather inefficient. it seems to me that most peoples real problem here is the harm caused to the animals instead of the products we get from them. Yes i agree that this can and should be considered animal cruelty, and for THAT REASON ALONE...cloned ANIMALS should not become the primary source of food. But due to the cost and inefficient nature of cloning...i really dont foresee them ever "taking over" our food supply.
as far as high death rates....we eventually kill all our animals before we eat them...so they are going to die whether they are cloned or natural. if this bothers you....i would assume you are a veggietarian.
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
High failure rates are to be expected as they are in artificial infertilisations, but when these are succesful the offspring are no different are they?
Like I said the DNA is modified prior to digetstion so it has NO consequences for human consumption. What you are drawing is a very vague and ultimately irrelevent because you don't incorporate the DNA form the food you eat directly. Of course the animals will grow larger- they are templates of the best animals so I don't see the problem?
you're one of THOSE people....*Sigh* :rolleyes:
Haha, I don’t fear it I encourage it…That was just an extreme exaggeration to try and make a point…the point being we are knocking on the door with this technology.
Yes. It’s amazing what he’s doing. He’s usually got sailing or strippers on his mind when I’m around him, but I always try to tap his brain for as much information on the subject as I can get. I’m not sure he was supposed to tell me about the arm…
No you got me all wrong, that’s ok, and it’s probably my fault for not being clear.
If I had a pancreas, or limb or something damaged I would be all over it. And your right, tides do shift when something tragic hits close to home. I just lost one of my best ski buddies a few days ago. He was in a car accident severing a nerve in his spine leaving him paraplegic, apparently complications caught up to him. I wish he could have benefited from this technology somehow…sorry about the downer. Be sure to hug your loved ones every chance you get…
Maybe you should adjust your field of study and get into it, plenty of room…I would love to love what I do for a living…
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I am finally becoming a vegetarian.
Yes I saw that too - one more reason I'm glad I'm vegan.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
cloned meat and genetically modified veggies = population control + profit
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
sorry to burst your bubble but you're not safe either my friend.
http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/AboutGeneticallyModifiedFoods/index.cfm
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Yup. Big business gets its hands on everything. When nature can't even be natural, you know you're in for trouble. Humankind's its own worst enemy.
Some may find this site interesting and informative:
http://home.intekom.com/tm_info/rw91231.htm#01
As well, there's another thread on the go about a media blackout over deaths as a result of a vomitting virus in the UK, and the article posted states this: "Of the greatest concern, however, of these events are the British peoples following the dangerous path of their American counterparts by consuming vast quantities of genetically modified (GM) foods, and which scientific reports have proven allow new viruses to enter the human body leading to weakened immune systems." - http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1062.htm
How is it that we've survived thus far and yet, somehow, we feel the need to modify what's natural? I mean, from a natural crop, we are rendered seeds and those seeds are replanted and regrow and so on. I can't understand how companies like Monsanto think that making seeds that only allow one crop and then destroy themselves are going to sustain the planet...and who knows what effect these GM foods are actually having on our health.
Wasn't the peanut one of the first GM products? I don't recall as many kids being allergic to peanuts when I was a kid as there are today.
On a side note-I miss hippiemom! :(