FDA set to OK food from cloned animals
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By LIBBY QUAID, AP Food and Farm Writer
Wed Dec 27, 6:16 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Federal scientists have concluded there is no difference between food from cloned animals and food from conventional livestock, setting the stage for the government to declare Thursday that cloned animals are safe for the human food supply
Also, FDA believes that no special labels are needed for food from clones or their offspring, the scientists wrote. Consumer groups say labels are a must, because surveys have shown people to be uncomfortable with the idea of cloned livestock.
"Consumers are going to be having a product that has potential safety issues and has a whole load of ethical issues tied to it, without any labeling," said Joseph Mendelson, legal director of the Center for Food Safety.
Carol Tucker Foreman, director of food policy at the Consumer Federation of America, said the FDA is ignoring research that shows cloning results in more deaths and deformed animals than other reproductive technologies.
The consumer federation will ask food companies and supermarkets to refuse to sell food from clones, she said.
"Meat and milk from cloned animals have no benefit for consumers, and consumers don't want them in their foods," Foreman said.
The FDA scientists wrote that by the time clones reached 6 to 18 months of age, they were "virtually indistinguishable" from conventionally bred animals.
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"virtually indistinguishable".....Sounds tasty
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061227/ap_on_sc/cloned_food_4
Wed Dec 27, 6:16 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Federal scientists have concluded there is no difference between food from cloned animals and food from conventional livestock, setting the stage for the government to declare Thursday that cloned animals are safe for the human food supply
Also, FDA believes that no special labels are needed for food from clones or their offspring, the scientists wrote. Consumer groups say labels are a must, because surveys have shown people to be uncomfortable with the idea of cloned livestock.
"Consumers are going to be having a product that has potential safety issues and has a whole load of ethical issues tied to it, without any labeling," said Joseph Mendelson, legal director of the Center for Food Safety.
Carol Tucker Foreman, director of food policy at the Consumer Federation of America, said the FDA is ignoring research that shows cloning results in more deaths and deformed animals than other reproductive technologies.
The consumer federation will ask food companies and supermarkets to refuse to sell food from clones, she said.
"Meat and milk from cloned animals have no benefit for consumers, and consumers don't want them in their foods," Foreman said.
The FDA scientists wrote that by the time clones reached 6 to 18 months of age, they were "virtually indistinguishable" from conventionally bred animals.
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"virtually indistinguishable".....Sounds tasty
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061227/ap_on_sc/cloned_food_4
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Them saying the FDA has concluded that there is no difference and it's safe to eat cloned animals; is the equivelent of the Lyndhurst, New Jersey chapter of the Star Trek Fan Club saying it's safe.
For some reason, I don't believe it. Call me crazy.
Yeah, but they also don't want labels on it so you wont know if you are eating it or not. which is pretty scary.
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But I think that once it hits the market at a lower cost people won't care so much. anything to save a dollar.
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is that because your clonophobic?
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I wonder how they feel about cloning soldiers...
Seriously, you've got a cattle rancher in, say Montana, and he's gonna go to the expense of getting a blood sample, paying a lab to perform the DNA thing.... It makes no sense at all.
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That's scary enough, and I haven't even touched yet on the potential ramifications on the public health. I've read enough about how the FDA works to know I don't trust them as far as I could throw my car. They will not protect the public, we are going to have to make some noise about this.
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man fucks around with nature to much. there has to be better altenatives
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cloned meat will lead to diesease i think
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http://www.fda.gov/cvm/CloneRiskAssessment.htm
As far as I'm concerned the only meat that should be sold is hormone and steroid free and fed with no animal by products, like that will ever after, the cattle farm lobby is just as powerful as the oil companies.
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The FDA being so quick to announce that such food products will NOT be labelled as cloned is testament in itself that they want to bury this and hide potential hazards that consumption of these products will create.
it's all about money people... the government don't give a godamn about how and what we eat.
When girls as young as 9 start menstrating, and people on avg today are 30+ lbs heavier and 2 inches taller than their American counterparts of 40 years ago... we need to start looking at our current food supply, let alone consider consuming CLONED fucking food that the FDA gives an enthusiastic stamp of approval of before the first slab hits the meat counter at Kroger!
This is bullshit! I'm already a semi-vegetarian, I may have to go all Amish now!
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Isn't the FDA an arm of your beloved government? I thought they could do no wrong. :eek:
I think they should label the products and let the consumer have the decision to opt for what they want to buy. I don't buy into what Mr. Brian said as to price being a factor. Unless you are very poor and the prices are very low. After all this is the same FDA that allows your milk to have puss in it and say there is nothing wrong with it.
Hippiemom you hit the nail on the head. If they can produce seeds that have kept the world alive forever to kill themselves off. What are they going to be putting into the meat?
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75% of their payroll is paid by those companies...from what i have read.
Independent gov't organization....Hardly!
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It worked for Emporer Palpatine. The clones were able to kill all of the Jedi and overthrow the Republic. The Kaminoans were able to accelarate the growth of the young clones and everything. Incredible technology.
Elaborate on this. I may not be reading this right but I am not sure what this means.
Hippiemom spelled it out. But for the most part. A grain or oat or anthing that can multiply and regenerate by itself has been modified to kill itself off after one harvest. And/or designed to more or less adjust to pesticide use and not be harmed. Can you taste it already?
Here is a little story about a farmer VS Monsanto from Canada. He told them to sod off and stuff their modified seeds and then Monsanto snuck on his property and said he was growing their seed without paying for it. He said it blew in from another farm and he didn't want them on his field. Anyhow, you can guess who won the lawsuit.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/08/12/monsanto.html
You can dig around for more on that story from this link. http://search.cbc.ca/search?ie=&site=CBC&output=xml_no_dtd&client=CBC&lr=&getfields=description&proxystylesheet=CBC&oe=&searchWeb=cbc&q=saskatoon+farmer+and+monsanto
Just a couple of years ago an African nation told the World Bank to take a hike with their seeds, that they would virtually, rather starve then use those seeds. Can't find a story for this one.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"While the agency fails to regulate cloned animals, research and production of cloned animals continues in a regulatory vacuum, and animal cloners are reportedly considering ignoring FDA’s voluntary prohibition and touting the benefits of cloned animals for human consumption. For example, in 2005, the Associated Press reported that the cloning company ViaGen had cloned pigs and beef cattle “ready to efficiently produce juicier steaks and tastier chops.” In another example, on March 27, 2006, it was reported that pigs had been cloned and then genetically engineered to contain omega-3 fatty acid. Announcements, like these, claim the success and benefits of cloning. Yet, there is no method to verify the veracity of these claims because cloning is not regulated by FDA and the scientific data from these experiments are not published or publicly analyzed. In fact, these announcements included actual suggestions of problems. For example, three of the six piglets that were born with the omega-3 gene had heart defects that required them to be killed."
"In late 2004, the New England Journal of Medicine reported that “given the available evidence, it may be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible, to generate healthy cloned animals or humans.” Many cloned animals die within the first 24 hours of birth due to “respiratory distress, increased birth weight and major cardiovascular abnormalities . . . .” Surviving clones often have compromised immune systems and if used in intense animal confinement settings may consistently require the use of antibiotics. This potential for increased use of antibiotics represents yet another food safety issue which FDA must address in considering whether to approve the employment of this technology."
"There is very little scientific data and no long term studies showing that eating food products derived from clones are safe. In late October 2003, FDA released a draft assessment of the safety of food from clones or their progeny and found that there did not appear to be a food safety risk. The agency did issue a cautionary statement, however, by stating that “[a]dditional data on the health status of progeny, and composition of milk and meat from clones and their progeny would serve to further increase the confidence in these conclusions.” Before allowing cloned animals on the market, FDA needs to review long term studies. The draft assessment is not scientifically persuasive because the agency relied on a single study of milk from cloned animals and no data at all on cloned meat."
"There is a considerable amount of scientific evidence identifying the severe harm and suffering to animals involved in the cloning process. Specifically, the science shows that cloning causes harm to surrogate mothers and often creates deformed and/or unhealthy animal clones. These health risks are far different from traditional breeding. Based upon this evidence, FDA should find that animal cloning creates severe health risks for animals and thus, is not generally recognized as safe. The implantation of a cloned cell in a surrogate can cause harm to the surrogate mothers. Surrogate animals are subjected to repeated surgical operations to implant the cloned embryos and extract the cloned fetuses. Most cloned animals exhibit a condition known as “large-offspring syndrome,” which results in overly stressful deliveries for the surrogate mothers. Because of their large size, a higher than normal percentage of clones are delivered via cesarean section. In one documented cattle cloning project, three out of 12 surrogate mothers died during pregnancy."
"Religious groups have also rejected animal cloning on ethical grounds. In 1995, more than 200 U.S. religious leaders, including those from the Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist faiths, announced a joint opposition to the patenting of animal genes, tissue, organs, and organisms, citing the belief that genetic manipulation and subsequent claims to exclusivity over the final product shifted “authorship” of life from ‘God’ to scientists and transnational companies. In fact, religious groups who renounce SCNT in animals view cloning in general as tantamount to ‘playing God.’ "
Being a conservative i am for less government intervention...less handouts for the poor etc.
I agree in principle, but making sure the food we eat isn't poisonous is a perfectly acceptable responsibility for government, regardless of which political wing one feels part of. This isn't outlawing "over easy" eggs - this is mandating that we know what we are eating, when we don't know much about what we are eating (in this case of cloned meat)
Yes. The technology is mind blowing, or to me anyway. A guy I sail with is a head stem cell researcher at UCI. One of his projects is growing an arm out of stem cell goo, around a titanium bone structure. They control it from one end by electronic impulses or commands. Pardon the Layman’s terms but still…how far away are they from slapping that arm onto a cloned cows’s body and giving it an M-16? That’s a rhetorical by the way.