Democrats Not Using Power of Constitution= No Blood On Their Hands
pjalive21
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here is some news for some people that done know....the Dems have the power according to the Constitution to pull our troops out and declare this war lost, but you know why they wont???? the wrath and destruction of Iraq to follow would be the blood on their hands and they dont want that especially with the elections coming up soon....so Sen. Reid/Nancy Pelosi, why dont you do this instead of yapping your mouth about it for 6 months down the road??? Use the power of the Constitution if this cause of pulling out the troops are so important to you and you care so much
wow if it isnt bad enough that our soldiers are dying over there armed, now the Dems want to cut them off...
if you want to play politics with Bush and try to get your own agenda pushed through dont you dare do it at the cost of the defense of our soldiers!!!!
its one thing for Bush to send them over there, in what some people call an unjust war, but its another thing to strip them of supplies and leave them defenseless....Dems politics are coming first over this country and our soldiers and to me thats equivalent to anything Bush has done
wow if it isnt bad enough that our soldiers are dying over there armed, now the Dems want to cut them off...
if you want to play politics with Bush and try to get your own agenda pushed through dont you dare do it at the cost of the defense of our soldiers!!!!
its one thing for Bush to send them over there, in what some people call an unjust war, but its another thing to strip them of supplies and leave them defenseless....Dems politics are coming first over this country and our soldiers and to me thats equivalent to anything Bush has done
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pjalive21 wrote:here is some news for some people that done know....the Dems have the power according to the Constitution to pull our troops out and declare this war lost, but you know why they wont???? the wrath and destruction of Iraq to follow would be the blood on their hands and they dont want that especially with the elections coming up soon....so Sen. Reid/Nancy Pelosi, why dont you do this instead of yapping your mouth about it for 6 months down the road??? Use the power of the Constitution if this cause of pulling out the troops are so important to you and you care so much
wow if it isnt bad enough that our soldiers are dying over there armed, now the Dems want to cut them off...
if you want to play politics with Bush and try to get your own agenda pushed through dont you dare do it at the cost of the defense of our soldiers!!!!
its one thing for Bush to send them over there, in what some people call an unjust war, but its another thing to strip them of supplies and leave them defenseless....Dems politics are coming first over this country and our soldiers and to me thats equivalent to anything Bush has done
Am I missing something. When did the Dems vote to cut off funding for the war?"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
I don't think they have yet.mammasan wrote:Am I missing something. When did the Dems vote to cut off funding for the war?Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..
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Pearl Jam and toast wrote:I don't think they have yet.
yeah your right it hasnt happened yet, i should have put that in there, sorry guys..but i think its going to happen0 -
eventually, probably.pjalive21 wrote:yeah your right it hasnt happened yet, i should have put that in there, sorry guys..but i think its going to happenCome on pilgrim you know he loves you..
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exactly, they're gutless pieces of shit. it's easy to talk the talk but when it comes down to it very few people in power right now are willing to do what it takes to begin the process of righting the horrible wrongs this administration has brought upon many, many people.Pearl Jam and toast wrote:I don't think they have yet.0 -
or as Mike would say, "Definitely maybe."Pearl Jam and toast wrote:eventually, probably.
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Pearl Jam and toast wrote:I don't think they have yet.
Nor will they ever. As someone has already stated the Dems don't have the balls to do what is necessary. I bet that they will even cave into Bush on the War spending bill that they currently approved. Weak bunch of spineless shitheads they are."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
pjalive21 wrote:...Dems politics are coming first over this country and our soldiers and to me thats equivalent to anything Bush has done
partisan politics always come first over the country, its citizens, and so on. the people in office couldn't care less what a given idea is, all they care about is who proposed it. it's about winning elections and cheering for your team to win more elections. the policies are irrelevant.0 -
soulsinging wrote:partisan politics always come first over the country, its citizens, and so on. the people in office couldn't care less what a given idea is, all they care about is who proposed it. it's about winning elections and cheering for your team to win more elections. the policies are irrelevant.
i guess ive realized this but it hits home a little more when you are planning on taking away money and supplies from people who are doing their job and putting them in harms way...what kind of politics could be more important that protecting our soldiers and getting them home safely....i get so angry seeing Sen. Reid and Nancy Pelosi, amongst others on tv seriously trying to cut funding with a serious face on just to get ahead "in the game"0 -
pjalive21 wrote:i guess ive realized this but it hits home a little more when you are planning on taking away money and supplies from people who are doing their job and putting them in harms way...what kind of politics could be more important that protecting our soldiers and getting them home safely....i get so angry seeing Sen. Reid and Nancy Pelosi, amongst others on tv seriously trying to cut funding with a serious face on just to get ahead "in the game"
When have they tried to cut funding?
I think that they are trying to have it both ways where they appease the anti-war part of the party and not look like they aren't financially supporting the troops.
Honestly, I am cynical of what either side does, but the timelines/guidlines attached to the funds doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
I'm just so tired of our soldiers getting killed and wounded playing policeman between two sides that have been hellbent on killing each other for the last 500 years.My whole life
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pjalive21 wrote:i guess ive realized this but it hits home a little more when you are planning on taking away money and supplies from people who are doing their job and putting them in harms way...what kind of politics could be more important that protecting our soldiers and getting them home safely....i get so angry seeing Sen. Reid and Nancy Pelosi, amongst others on tv seriously trying to cut funding with a serious face on just to get ahead "in the game"
But they are not trying to cut funding. They want to fund the troop but they want us to get the hell out of there as well. I don't think that what they are asking for is unreasonable. If this surge works then by that time Iraq will be ready to start picking up the slack. If the surge doesn't work it's time to come to the realization that we can not fix the problems there and need to start pulling our troops out of harms way."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
Everything going on right now is political posturing. Don't take anything out of this. Even if they do pass a bill it's going to be vetoed and they know it.
Even if it wasn't vetoed they set a year time table....ask a Native American sometime what US documents are worth.
The democrats/republicans care far far more about the next election than anything about Iraq. This is more about public opinion than anything else.
Force is the only way to stop the violence in that culture. It is today it will be 50 years from now. I actually like the time table, because if anything it puts pressure on the sad sack Iraqui government to get busy and it encourages various factions the US will pull out (even though this kind of BS isn't worth the paper on which it's printed and the strongest of these will certainly take the country over when the US inevitably does leave)
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pjalive21 wrote:its one thing for Bush to send them over there, in what some people call an unjust war, but its another thing to strip them of supplies and leave them defenseless....Dems politics are coming first over this country and our soldiers and to me thats equivalent to anything Bush has done
If "gullible" was a gas commodity, we could have been an oil free nation under Bush and his Administration.
Where was your voice when it was reported that over 9 billion dollars for the Iraq war was lost by the Bush Administration. At the same time when all the sh-t about no body armor and vehicle armor was available to the troops and they were dying and disfigured?
Where was your voice when the Pentagon told the troops they couldn't wear body armor that their family brought them. Yet, the private security contractors that protected Haliburton's interest all had body armor and armored vehicles.
Where was your voice when policy, after policy that the Bush administration has put out about Iraq has failed. Even the elected government is in a state of failure. Yet, all these contractors are STILL getting paid for jobs they are doing, while corporation after corporation is laying off employees, moving operations or asking employees to take cuts in benefits and pay.
Where was your voice when Bush got his extra troops for the surge and to train the Iraq forces (again). Opps, we are not longer going to train any Iraq personnel. So, American people could you just please keep giving me a BLANK CHECK, I have contractors to pay. It's not about support the troops, Bush and his Administration has proven to the American people that support the troops is their "cash cow" phrase. Theirs lives are a photo opt to get more cash, more laws, and more power.
The Bill being sent to President Bush to sign has funds to not only SUPPORT the troops, but to CARE FOR the troops upon their return from the battlefield all President Bush has to do is sign it.
What this Bill has that MR. BUSH doesn't like is a timetable to start a phrase withdrawal of U.S. troops out of a civil war. You may agree with Mr. Bush that it's an ARTIFICIAL timetable, but it is better than what Mr. Bush has put forth to the American public which is NOTHING. Yes, the Democrats are just another set of politicians with their own agenda, but at least they recognize that the American people is "inclusive" and not "selective" and that a timetable is needed to get something beside killing done in Iraq.
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puremagic wrote:If "gullible" was a gas commodity, we could have been an oil free nation under Bush and his Administration.
Where was your voice when it was reported that over 9 billion dollars for the Iraq war was lost by the Bush Administration. At the same time when all the sh-t about no body armor and vehicle armor was available to the troops and they were dying and disfigured?
Where was your voice when the Pentagon told the troops they couldn't wear body armor that their family brought them. Yet, the private security contractors that protected Haliburton's interest all had body armor and armored vehicles.
Where was your voice when policy, after policy that the Bush administration has put out about Iraq has failed. Even the elected government is in a state of failure. Yet, all these contractors are STILL getting paid for jobs they are doing, while corporation after corporation is laying off employees, moving operations or asking employees to take cuts in benefits and pay.
Where was your voice when Bush got his extra troops for the surge and to train the Iraq forces (again). Opps, we are not longer going to train any Iraq personnel. So, American people could you just please keep giving me a BLANK CHECK, I have contractors to pay. It's not about support the troops, Bush and his Administration has proven to the American people that support the troops is their "cash cow" phrase. Theirs lives are a photo opt to get more cash, more laws, and more power.
The Bill being sent to President Bush to sign has funds to not only SUPPORT the troops, but to CARE FOR the troops upon their return from the battlefield all President Bush has to do is sign it.
What this Bill has that MR. BUSH doesn't like is a timetable to start a phrase withdrawal of U.S. troops out of a civil war. You may agree with Mr. Bush that it's an ARTIFICIAL timetable, but it is better than what Mr. Bush has put forth to the American public which is NOTHING. Yes, the Democrats are just another set of politicians with their own agenda, but at least they recognize that the American people is "inclusive" and not "selective" and that a timetable is needed to get something beside killing done in Iraq.
Is a soldier's life worth a library?
your kidding me right? if you for one second believe that the Dems setting a timetable is sufficient work then im sure they have a job for you as a mouthpiece for the party...what a joke...they arent doing anything more than the Bush Admin is doing...all they want is the popular vote from the American people and if you think otherwise then im sorry i cant help you
and for you to call me out as "where is my voice" for all the other stuff...just because i dont start a thread about it on the message pit forum doesnt mean im not speaking out elsewhere about these issues...remember speaking out here doesnt mean jack sh-t...all this forum is for is to maybe throw info out there that others may not have known....HENCE!!!!
why i started this thread about the Dems have Constitutional authority because some people out there might not know this and hey arent using it because they are gutless!!!0 -
Most of the Kool Aid drinkers on here would believe anything that is sold to them; "illegal war" for instance, listen fuckers it isn't an illegal war. Democrats have no balls to do anything, they have no agenda, no plans, no timeline, nothing, they wanna impeach Bush, plain and simple that is it.
My only hope is that a pussy like Barack or Edwards gets elected so all the bashing on here by even Edward Vedder himself flows to the party they support, if you believe that the party of the "people" is gonna do anything for the people you are out of your minds. Gutless bunch of pussies, and I wanna hear some bitching come on let's hear it Dems have had significant control for over 100 days now and what's that not a fucking thing has gotten done.Philly '98 '00 (1 & 2) '03 '06 (1 & 2) '08 (1 & 2)
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suntzu98 wrote:Most of the Kool Aid drinkers on here would believe anything that is sold to them; "illegal war" for instance, listen fuckers it isn't an illegal war. Democrats have no balls to do anything, they have no agenda, no plans, no timeline, nothing, they wanna impeach Bush, plain and simple that is it.
My only hope is that a pussy like Barack or Edwards gets elected so all the bashing on here by even Edward Vedder himself flows to the party they support, if you believe that the party of the "people" is gonna do anything for the people you are out of your minds. Gutless bunch of pussies, and I wanna hear some bitching come on let's hear it Dems have had significant control for over 100 days now and what's that not a fucking thing has gotten done.
they have no desire to impeach bush. and what has the republican congress accomplished in the last 6 years?0 -
Do you have a job? Unemployment is at an all time low less then 3% The stock market just hit 13000 for the first time ever! Has there been an attack on this country on this soil since September 11, 2001? Think maybe Bush had something to do with all of this.Philly '98 '00 (1 & 2) '03 '06 (1 & 2) '08 (1 & 2)
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suntzu98 wrote:Do you have a job? The stock market just hit 13000 for the first time ever! Has there been an attack on this country on this soil sinc September 11, 2001? Think maybe Bush had something to do with all of this.
hmmm... last time i checked, george bush wasn't a member of congress. i asked what the republican congress was doing for the last 6 years that was so damned impressive? congress doesn't do SHIT. doesn't matter who is in charge of it.
and no, i don't have a job. im in law school. luckily, i got a sizable scholarship. otherwise, i wouldn't be able to attend school becos el presidente decided funding for higher education was unnecessary compared to giving 9 billion to halliburton for iraq construction that simply disappeared into thin air.0 -
If that is true, then why need a change? Nothing will get done why change it?Philly '98 '00 (1 & 2) '03 '06 (1 & 2) '08 (1 & 2)
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suntzu98 wrote:If that is true, then why need a change? Nothing will get done why change it?
did i say we needed a change? i said both parties are incompetent and don't give a flying fuck about what's good for the country. the only thing either party cares about is making sure their "team" wins more elections.0
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