Can someone please remind me the negative side of marijuana?

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I dare you....both of you...to find one place in this thread--or any thread on this board, for that matter--where I have personally said marijuana is more dangerous than any other substance.

i dont think that you did. but you DID say marijuana should be illegal and i asked why you feel that way given that you seem to agree that marijuana is not more dangerous than other substances... why, then, does it deserve harsher sanctions?

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

Oh, that's right soulsinging and dream....you CAN'T find where I've personally said marijuana is worse than any other vice, because I've NOT said it. Ever.

nor do i claim you did. what i have repeatedly asked is why you DID say marijuana should be illegal, since you here seem to freely admit that it is no more dangerous than other legal substances. i have been consistently asking you to resolve this disconnect. you cannot or will not do it.

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

To me this is certainly suggests that you agree with soulsinging, when he was falsely and delusionally disputing an argument I did not make.

When you jump on that bandwagon, you also "suggest" by your behaviour and adamant support, that you are falsely and delusionally disputing an argument that I did not make.

seems to me you're the one reading arguments that are not there. i have been quite clear about what i am discussing. nor have i ever accused you of saying pot is worse. from the beginning (ill pose it for the 3rd time, maybe one of these will be in language you can understand), i have been asking why you feel marijuana should be illegal when you freely admit it is no more dangerous that other, legal substances that produce the same effects by which you are so concerned (maladaptive addictive behaviors).

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

No, I didn't miss your point. I read it over and over in this thread along with the similar ones. I merely support a different view. Both views stand.

clearly. you support the view that marijuana should be illegal. i keep asking you to explain your stance. is this not what the moving train is about? the reasons you have given support your view, i am merely asking why those reasons only apply to marijuana and not other substances that produce the same problems. there must be something different about marijuana, no? and i am wondering what you think it is.

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

That's because that is not my argument. I'm not trying to prove why it should be legal. That's not at all my style. That's what you and soulsinging keep erroneously assuming despite all of my protestations to the contrary.

you're calling me delusional? i'm well aware you're not trying to prove it should be legal. i've never once thought, assumed, considered, perceived, etc this to be the case. the exact opposite. you've been arguing it should be ILlegal. i've been asking why? repeatedly. you still have not answered.

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I agree--getting the subject matter out is the key and the way we all learn. I'm very happy when people are able to maintain their perspective and put it forth on an even playing field of reason, past the emotional debates. I only see from my perspective, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives when there is a case being presented.

A key point is that emotional intelligence is very pertinent on any topic when it's integrated with reason and handled in a healthy way. When emotions spill out in unhealthy ways it complicates and undermines one's purposes.

how come every debate with ahnimus turns into a free will debate, and every debate with you turns into an emotional intelligence debate?

soulsinging · September 2007

angelica wrote:

What direct question are you referring to?

the one outlined in the 5-6 posts directly above this one, and the last half dozen i have made over the last few pages. the one about why marijuana is so distinctive from other substances that can cause the same maladaptive behaviors you are concerned about that it deserves to be outlawed while the others do not.

Derrick · September 2007

I vote that Soulsinging and Angelica settle the discussion irl after a few tokes of some premium quality BC bud.

:-)

"Dude you said something, then a few posts later, I said something and then, like, you got any chips?"

angelica · September 2007

soulsinging, kindly show me where I said marijuana should be illegal.

If I'm correct, I believe that I said I don't support legalizing it. That's very different than saying it should be illegal. Number one, it's different because I'm talking about my personal view and what I will or will not support. Objectively, I don't care if it becomes legal. There is a big difference between my opinion, and what I believe should be imposed on others. I'm talking about my own choice and that I cannot make a choice to condone something that I don't condone--therefore I cannot personally support legalization. And therefore, given you now know the details, you can see how the whole alcohol argument doesn't apply to me. What I am specifically against--and which I've said over and over--is supporting other people doing damage to themselves. I'm concerned with my personal decision and what that means to me. I'm not concerned with laws, and legislature--only that I do not condone something I cannot condone for ethical purposes.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal. That's the problem with putting words in people's mouths. I'm very concise about what I do say. The minute you turn it around and put it in a different context, your argument becomes about what you've misconstrued, rather than what I've said.

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

angelica wrote:

soulsinging, kindly show me where I said marijuana should be illegal.

If I'm correct, I believe that I said I don't support legalizing it. That's very different than saying it should be illegal. Number one, it's different because I'm talking about my personal view and what I will or will not support. Objectively, I don't care if it becomes legal. There is a big difference between my opinion, and what I believe should be imposed on others. I'm talking about my own choice and that I cannot make a choice to condone something that I don't condone--therefore I cannot personally support legalization. And therefore, given you now know the details, you can see how the whole alcohol argument doesn't apply to me. What I am specifically against--and which I've said over and over--is supporting other people doing damage to themselves. I'm concerned with my personal decision and what that means to me. I'm not concerned with laws, and legislature--only that I do not condone something I cannot condone for ethical purposes.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal. That's the problem with putting words in people's mouths. I'm very concise about what I do say. The minute you turn it around and put it in a different context, your argument becomes about what you've misconstrued, rather than what I've said.

i completely understand what you mean. it happens to me a lot here.

angelica · September 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

i completely understand what you mean. it happens to me a lot here.

I know it does. Thanks for showing your support, friend.

angelica · September 2007

Derrick wrote:

I vote that Soulsinging and Angelica settle the discussion irl after a few tokes of some premium quality BC bud.

:-)

"Dude you said something, then a few posts later, I said something and then, like, you got any chips?"

angelica · September 2007

For the record, if alcohol were currently illegal, I would not support legalizing it.

So all of the misconstruing was about misconstruing. It was not about my opinion which I stand behind. And once posters began to misconstrue my argument, and then began blaming me for their own mistake and calling me names like "arrogant" or "passive-aggressive", I realize there is no kind of fair ground for discussion. So I continued on with posting facts and dodging the dysfunctioning posts.

It's also dysfunctional to engage with people who are openly and willfully insulting you and blaming you for their own errors. So, I was left little choice but to allow those who partook of misunderstanding, judgment and blame to accept their own consequences of blindness and ignorance.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · September 2007

Kat wrote:

Does anyone have a match?

xo

ahaahaaaa...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · September 2007

angelica wrote:

For the record, if alcohol were currently illegal, I would not support legalizing it.

Keeping or making it illegal only increases the funding of organized crime and gangs.

People are going to do what they want to do one way or the other.

It seems to be a concept the government misses entirely (especially the conservatives)

Where one fails (goes to jail) another will gladly step into his place.

Sounds just like creating and fighting terrorism actually. Which is also another huge failure.

deadnothingbetter · September 2007

angelica wrote:

For the record, if alcohol were currently illegal, I would not support legalizing it.

So all of the misconstruing was about misconstruing. It was not about my opinion which I stand behind. And once posters began to misconstrue my argument, and then began blaming me for their own mistake and calling me names like "arrogant" or "passive-aggressive", I realize there is no kind of fair ground for discussion. So I continued on with posting facts and dodging the dysfunctioning posts.

It's also dysfunctional to engage with people who are openly and willfully insulting you and blaming you for their own errors. So, I was left little choice but to allow those who partook of misunderstanding, judgment and blame to accept their own consequences of blindness and ignorance.

your situation reminds me very much of the last time i had the discussion about legalizing weed.

my argument was that if weed is "illegal" it's not such a big issue, nor is it anything to even argue about. cause from what it's like we're all perfectly fine with having weed illegalized. so the other dude misunderstood me completely and thought that i was for "illegalizing" weed, which wasn't the situation at all. i was simply saying that legalizing weed isn't so important and nothing worth fighting for.... and suggested that he/she fight for a better cause.

angelica · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Keeping or making it illegal only increases the funding of organized crime and gangs.

People are going to do what they want to do one way or the other.

It seems to be a concept the government misses entirely (especially the conservatives)

Where one fails (goes to jail) another will gladly step into his place.

Sounds just like creating and fighting terrorism actually. Which is also another huge failure.

I'm probably going to stop voting, too, anyway, until a system comes along that I can support.

angelica · September 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Keeping or making it illegal only increases the funding of organized crime and gangs.

People are going to do what they want to do one way or the other.

It seems to be a concept the government misses entirely (especially the conservatives)

Where one fails (goes to jail) another will gladly step into his place.

Sounds just like creating and fighting terrorism actually. Which is also another huge failure.

I'm not responsible for crime and gangs. I'm responsible for what I do and I'm responsible for the intent I have behind it, because that's what I have control over. I take that very seriously. I don't accept the consequences for the behaviours of others because it's not mine to accept.

Bu2 · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I'm not responsible for crime and gangs. I'm responsible for what I do and I'm responsible for the intent I have behind it, because that's what I have control over. I take that very seriously. I don't accept the consequences for the behaviours of others because it's not mine to accept.

to help clean up the neighborhood, back in the day.

decides2dream · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I'm probably going to stop voting, too, anyway, until a system comes along that I can support.

yes, that'll help! :rolleyes:
of course...certainly a choice though.

Bu2...as i said, i really don't indulge often at all...but i think i would enjoy sharing a toke with you.

i've smoked with a few jammers i've met here...and it's always a good time, and just adds to a nice evening, a 'bonding' friendship.

hehe.

Can someone please remind me the negative side of marijuana?

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