What are the conditions for victory in the middle east.

macgyver06 wrote:

what is trying ot be achieved?

chronic war...thus, achieving any goals merely leads to another goal...

macgyver06 wrote:

what is trying ot be achieved?

American forces are attempting to change the political and economic structure of the Middle East in hopes of fostering constitutional governments that might curb terrorism for generations. Prosperity, security and liberty are the death knell to radical Islam.

NCfan wrote:

American forces are attempting to change the political and economic structure of the Middle East in hopes of fostering constitutional governments that might curb terrorism for generations. Prosperity, security and liberty are the death knell to radical Islam.

Thanks Tony Snow.

And now, back to reality.

NCfan wrote:

??? That's the basic premise, at least from my view... What's wrong with that???

what you said is fine - but, that is the ultimate...the questions regards what needs to be achieved to reach that end

NCfan wrote:

American forces are attempting to change the political and economic structure of the Middle East in hopes of fostering constitutional governments that might curb terrorism for generations. Prosperity, security and liberty are the death knell to radical Islam.

Sorry to pick on you, but I can't believe you typed that with a straight face! You are repeating propaganda word by word... you need to read Manufacturing Consent or 1984 and then, maybe, you'll be able to tell apart governement propaganda from reality.

Everyone has to stop fighting. That's the only condition.

Stop trying to live out revelations and lay down your arms.

You have just asked the $10 million question that no one, not even our President, has the answer to.

1 - showing good will on sensitive issues
2 - ask for international aid

thats precisely the problem. For all those who still support the War and support Bush, why do you continue to support this failed war?

The problem is that : unlike past wars where there was a clearly defined enemy, the people who started the goddamn war like Bush or Rumsfeld or Cheney all say that this war will continue for 10-15 more years. Its an unending war. Second, we arent out to get all those who helped fund 9/11 and we arent out to get all those who funded saddam. We are out to get "terrorists". Terrorists have existed since the beginning of time, in all countries, including the u.s. Why do we think we can eradicate all terrorism? You can't fight a war to end terrorism, because its an unending battle? And how does one think terrorists start in the first place? Arent they by definition groups of people or an individual upset with society?

The problem is Bush and the war planners never said what the ultimate goal is. Was it getting rid of Osama? Getting rid of Saddam? Capturing all the Al Queada leaders?

We now have Saddam dead, we have captured most of the alquada leaders, we have set up a new government, we got them voting.

What else could we possibly do? What else do they (the war planners) think could be done?

Isnt it time to bring the troops home?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Exactly, when the U.S. was forcing Native AMericans to go to racist school structures in the early to mid 20th century, and they were forcing the Natives to adopt Christianity, they said they wanted the Natives to be like "apples". That is red on the outside and white on the inside.

Clearly this parallels nicely with what is going on in the middle east. The u.s. just wants a puppet government installed

there are large groups of christians on the ground in iraq trying to convert iraqis. how the fuck do they even get in there? how do you book a trip into iraq without gvt help?