"Continue the war against terrorism........

MrBrian
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edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
with vigor" -Obama Jul 20, 2008 (say's the US will do if he's elected)

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It's like he's missing the point.

You would think that Obama would know that Terrorism is something that will not be won with violence, more troops or more war. Add some 'vigor', yep that's all this war of terror needs.

Why was America attcked? Why do people hate America? does Obama not wonder these things? does he not know the answers?

What about his many supporters? This should be another reason not to vote for him. Bcoz any person who thinks more war will end this 'terrorism' is wrong. It's that simple.

Obama refuses to get up and speak about the injustices America does around the world that causes it all. Perhaps he thinks people around the world don't like America bcoz it's....you know, 'free'
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    This is campaign rhetoric. If he says anything other than this message (whether he believes it or not), he would be deemed as "weak on foreign policy and weakening the US vs its enemies".
    CONservative governMENt

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    terrorism er... muslim-ism...it's the new communism...

    I wonder what ideology will be blown out of proportion, vilified, and actively murdered next...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    This is campaign rhetoric. If he says anything other than this message (whether he believes it or not), he would be deemed as "weak on foreign policy and weakening the US vs its enemies".
    Is this how people justify it?

    So Obama has to support more war to get elected? And what happens once he's elected and actually GOES THROUGH with this war? Are you guys going to cry that you thought he was "faking it" to get elected? :rolleyes:

    People need to wake the fuck up and do something.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    _outlaw wrote:
    Is this how people justify it?

    So Obama has to support more war to get elected? And what happens once he's elected and actually GOES THROUGH with this war? Are you guys going to cry that you thought he was "faking it" to get elected? :rolleyes:

    People need to wake the fuck up and do something.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Is there such a thing as fool me 4 times?

    Where does the shame go?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    FiveB247x wrote:
    This is campaign rhetoric. If he says anything other than this message (whether he believes it or not), he would be deemed as "weak on foreign policy and weakening the US vs its enemies".
    It's just discouraging to see someone who's been promising not to do things the usual Washington way his entire campaign... doing things the usual Washington way. At least McCain has the good grace not to pretend to be a breath of fresh air.
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  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    Obama has been for keeping troops in Afghanistan since 9/11. He has never wavered on his position.

    I wonder why you guys are acting shocked now.

    He has said from Day one that the Iraq war was unjust and he wants to redeploy the services to Afghanistan. This has been my position since we started Iraq as I felt we weren't finished in Afghanistan. Yet another position that I see eye to eye with Obama.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    First off, please stop painting or labeling me. I'm no Dem or Rep.

    Secondly, campaigns are public relations wars and not much more than that. None of these people are to be seriously taken for "their word".
    _outlaw wrote:
    Is this how people justify it?

    So Obama has to support more war to get elected? And what happens once he's elected and actually GOES THROUGH with this war? Are you guys going to cry that you thought he was "faking it" to get elected? :rolleyes:

    People need to wake the fuck up and do something.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I agree. Any candidate who's running against the party that was in office for 2 terms, is automatically the "change" candidate. Sadly, the names and faces change, but the rest remains the same.
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    It's just discouraging to see someone who's been promising not to do things the usual Washington way his entire campaign... doing things the usual Washington way. At least McCain has the good grace not to pretend to be a breath of fresh air.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Obama has been for keeping troops in Afghanistan since 9/11. He has never wavered on his position.

    I wonder why you guys are acting shocked now.

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  • fuck
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Obama has been for keeping troops in Afghanistan since 9/11. He has never wavered on his position.

    I wonder why you guys are acting shocked now.

    He has said from Day one that the Iraq war was unjust and he wants to redeploy the services to Afghanistan. This has been my position since we started Iraq as I felt we weren't finished in Afghanistan. Yet another position that I see eye to eye with Obama.
    I'm not acting shocked at this at all. I know he's been for this the whole time, and I've never supported it. We have no business to be dealing with other wars now, or continuing "unfinished" wars. If he really wants to be different, then what he needs to do is take serious diplomatic approaches to the governments in the Middle East. Not fake shit either, I mean SERIOUS talks. The Arabs have many things to be unhappy about towards the U.S. and if Obama were to try to DO SOMETHING about that, then it could really help solve, or lead to solving, this "war on terror" mess.

    But continuing with the war in Afghanistan is not any different than what Bush did. We don't have more wars to fight, we need to worry about our own country right now, and about dealing with issues OTHER THAN using guns.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    First off, please stop painting or labeling me. I'm no Dem or Rep.

    Secondly, campaigns are public relations wars and not much more than that. None of these people are to be seriously taken for "their word".
    I assumed you were justifying him, sorry. I wasn't particularly basing anyone off of you, but I've heard so many people say "it's alright, Obama doesn't mean this" for the past 2 months, that I just can't stand that ridiculous argument anymore.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    We have a broken system - and that includes elections. They're popularity contests based on catch phrases and public relations. None of these people can be taken for their word. We have a system full of garbage - education, healthcare, self-interest business sectors and workers. Our elections are a mere representation of our society and system. Garbage in, garbage out. That's our process. Hate the government and the officials in it? Blame the society enabling it.
    _outlaw wrote:
    I assumed you were justifying him, sorry. I wasn't particularly basing anyone off of you, but I've heard so many people say "it's alright, Obama doesn't mean this" for the past 2 months, that I just can't stand that ridiculous argument anymore.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • fuck
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    FiveB247x wrote:
    We have a broken system - and that includes elections. They're popularity contests based on catch phrases and public relations. None of these people can be taken for their word. We have a system full of garbage - education, healthcare, self-interest business sectors and workers. Our elections are a mere representation of our society and system. Garbage in, garbage out. That's our process. Hate the government and the officials in it? Blame the society enabling it.
    Exactly, that was my point in the earlier post. People need to do something about this. They complain about the system, but by voting for someone like Obama just because they don't like McCain, or by excusing all these dirty games and corporations by saying "The system's fucked," then all they're doing is contributing to it.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    _outlaw wrote:
    Exactly, that was my point in the earlier post. People need to do something about this. They complain about the system, but by voting for someone like Obama just because they don't like McCain, or by excusing all these dirty games and corporations by saying "The system's fucked," then all they're doing is contributing to it.
    I agree 100%. The people are unwittingly what they hate.
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  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    Answer me this: when a terror attack occurs like 9/11 and then you cave into there demands and leave the region isn't that giving in to terrorists???

    Isn't that the one thing you never do in negotiations?

    Wouldn't that promote more terrorism if they get there way through a terrorist act?

    I know the US had a lot to learn from 9/11 and unfortunately we had the wrong President in office to actually learn anything from it at the time. But Obama will fight this war with both force and by diplomacy and gain more nation's support in fighting terrorism.

    No matter what we did before 9/11 there is no justification for the terrorists actions and they should be made to pay. Now I may have more passion about this as I just visited NYC and Ground Zero less then a month ago for PJ but seeing the site really enforced that some good Noble work can still be done in the region if we leave Iraq and resume hunting after Al Queda.
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  • fuck
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Answer me this: when a terror attack occurs like 9/11 and then you cave into there demands and leave the region isn't that giving in to terrorists???
    I get what you mean, but how is killing more innocent people in Afghanistan going to solve anything? We need to think about WHY people would attack us in the FIRST PLACE. Our foreign policy has been fucked up for decades. If Obama wants to do some change, then he should start by changing our entire foreign policy around. Continuing the war in Afghanistan will NOT do that.
  • Its Evolution Baby
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    _outlaw wrote:
    I get what you mean, but how is killing more innocent people in Afghanistan going to solve anything? We need to think about WHY people would attack us in the FIRST PLACE. Our foreign policy has been fucked up for decades. If Obama wants to do some change, then he should start by changing our entire foreign policy around. Continuing the war in Afghanistan will NOT do that.

    I don't disagree with you here. My feeling is that a Legit battle against Terrorism would be the most noble war we could fight as it would be the one war that would truly make the world a better place. Bush going to Iraq has really thrown off what could have been a very important and noble mission for the world as a whole.

    The problem is when do we stop the fight as there will always be some form of terrorism? That I do not have an answer to even though I support the continued hunting down of terrorists.

    We do need to be more cautious of civilians and have more allies for my full support as well.
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  • slightofjeff
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    If I actually believed Obama means what he says here, I'd be stoked.

    Unfortunately, I believe it's all empty campaign rhetoric, and that scares me shitless.

    The Iraq War sucks, so people tend to want to throw the baby out with the bath water. People tend to forget the incredible strides we made against Al Qaeda in the first 12 months or so post-9/11, both on the ground in Afghanistan and behind the scenes.

    I'd hate to give up all that ground by reverting to our head-in-the-sand pre/9.11 policies ... which I'm scared shitless Obama really wants to do. (ie ... maybe if we ask really, really, really nicely, Al Qaeda will stop hating us. Then we can all go out for lollipops and ice cream and live happily ever after).
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Answer me this: when a terror attack occurs like 9/11 and then you cave into there demands and leave the region isn't that giving in to terrorists???

    Considering one of the main STATED reasons for the 9/11 attacks was US OCCUPATION OF THE REGION, i think this is a pretty bass-ackwards train of logic.

    :eek:

    Thats like if you punch someone in the face,
    and they punch you back and say "this is for punching me in the face",
    then you gather your wits and decide, "damn, thats fucked up. I better punch him in the face again, otherwise i'm caving to his demands."

    ???
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