Question for the Republicans on this board:

Bu2
Bu2 Posts: 1,693
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
For those of you who plan to vote in 2008, can you please tell me what you think of Bush’s effect on the Republican candidates and their chances?

The reason I ask, and I’ve been giving this great thought, is that I can’t quite understand where Bush is going politically. I can see where he’s going everywhere else (all wrong), and therefore I can’t understand what he’s trying to gain for his party in the future.

We all know it’s only a matter of time before the Republicans in Congress (the House and the Senate) turn their backs on him -- we all know quite a few of them have already.

We all know that McCain, who was the forerunner a year ago, no longer has a chance in hell. We all know that Giuliani’s only stance is his 9/11 America’s Mayor theme (and it’s no longer having the effect that it once had). We all know Thompson hasn’t even thrown his hat in officially, yet already his campaign is in doubt (two stories I read recently: “Thompson Fires his Campaign Manager” and “Thompson as Lobbyist Supported Abortion Rights”). Huckabee, Brownback, even your beloved Ron Paul have no financial chances whatsoever and don’t even reach more than 5% in the polls. That leaves us with Mitt Romney, the flip-flopper extraordinaire, whose campaign is already heading towards debt, and whose credibility has already become the butt of jokes all over the papers and internet.

So if Bush’s party that he’s been so forcefully fighting for has no candidate worth voting for, then why has been Bush been taking over the Supreme Court and ripping up the Constitution? What is his gain, in making American voters become so disenchanted that they have no choice but to vote Democrat in the next election?

His mainstream media touts Hillary as the only Democratic candidate worth watching….why is that? Are the two of them in cahoots?

Or is Bush planning to somehow extend his term as President? Frankly, I wouldn’t put it past him and Cheney.

But since I’m not Mel Gibson’s character in “Conspiracy Theory”, I’ll just post this and run off somewhere else, and let you all enlighten me while I’m gone.

Thanks, and peace,

Bu
Feels Good Inc.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    do you only want opinions of republicans ?
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    their opinions.

    In the meantime, enlighten me.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Bu2 wrote:
    their opinions.

    In the meantime, enlighten me.

    I think Bush has fucked republicans. so many are trying to distance themselves from him, even if they tend to agree with him. he is unpopular.

    shortly after 9/11 bush had an 85% approval rating. which means many liberals approved of bush. now with the reversed, many republicans are now disapproving oh him.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    finally reached 25% this week. His disapproval rating is at 70% +.

    So he's obviously not helping his party's candidates, is he? Is it that he's selfish and just doesn't care?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070725/ap_on_el_pr/fred_thompson_campaign

    I know most of you, here, admire Ron Paul, and I think he's great too (in some respects), and I also like Hagel (don't forget, I was a Republican all my 42 years until now), but getting back to the real world.....where is your party going?

    Where is your party headed? Can you all please tell me?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Bu2 wrote:
    For those of you who plan to vote in 2008, can you please tell me what you think of Bush’s effect on the Republican candidates and their chances?

    your post asked for republicans, and i'm conservative before a republican, so take it for what you will...

    i think bush has alienated everyone, the left and the right....and will have zero impact on 2008. us hatemongering cons think he really dropped the ball on immigration, and if you want to go after impeachment, look into this Campean and Ramos thing...hell, i may join you...

    the funny thing is...bush is a liberal...(meaning, he wants to please other people instead of doing what's right) i can't IMAGINE what you people would do to a conservative candidate. that's why nutjobs like me are displeased with him.

    the key in my view...is about finding people who care more about doing what's right, than gaining power...

    the sad thing is...i think that liberals and conservatives all agree on this...but our choices don't deliver
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Bu2 wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070725/ap_on_el_pr/fred_thompson_campaign

    I know most of you, here, admire Ron Paul, and I think he's great too (in some respects), and I also like Hagel (don't forget, I was a Republican all my 42 years until now), but getting back to the real world.....where is your party going?

    Where is your party headed? Can you all please tell me?

    don't confuse party for ideology...

    i have NO alleigence to the GOP, and i think most people interested in politics view themselves as conservatives or liberals before republicans and democrats. the party labels do mean more now than they have in the past, but not as much as the drive bys want you to believe.

    if it were up to me, every election would be between rush limbaugh and michael moore...i like people who come out and SAY what they believe, instead of pandering. it would be nice if candidates could lay it out on the line and actually be held accountable.

    back to your point...hagel is a hack...a lib from my view...maybe your version of lieberman, i don't know.

    i think the party is going way too left...they were successful when they went right (1980, 1994), they go astray when they bend over and grab the ankles and let the special interests have their way
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Well I'm not a Republican and I'm only a fiscal conservative not a social one. I have to respectfully disagree with Purple Hawk. I think Bush is already having a huge impact on the 2008 elections. His policies had a tremendous impact on the 2006 elections and i don't think much will change before November 2008. He and his administration have dragged his party to near drowning depths but he is partially to blame. The rest of the GOP shares the blame as well. They consciously decided to put party before principles and I think that America is finally waking up to that fact. Don't get me wrong the Democrats do the same thing. This is not purely GOP problem. With the exception of Ron Paul all the other candidates are trying to distance themselves from Bush but at the same time are still keeping a hand on his coat tail.

    I honestly don't see a Republican winning the presidency in 2008, that includes my beloved Ron Paul. That doesn't doesn't make me feel that good because the alternative is not that much better.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    How many republicans does it take to ruin an election? :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    How many republicans does it take to ruin an election? :p


    It usually takes 1 Republican and 1 Democrat to ruin an election.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    mammasan wrote:
    I honestly don't see a Republican winning the presidency in 2008, that includes my beloved Ron Paul. That doesn't doesn't make me feel that good because the alternative is not that much better.
    If it comes down to Hillary v. Rudy. I think Rudy will win, unless Hillary is successful in launching a "Rove-like" campaign where the truth is just a hindrance.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    John Budge wrote:
    If it comes down to Hillary v. Rudy. I think Rudy will win, unless Hillary is successful in launching a "Rove-like" campaign where the truth is just a hindrance.

    Guiliani will not even make it past the primaries. The only thing he has going for him is the whole America's Mayor bullshit and even that isn't working anymore.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    mammasan wrote:
    Guiliani will not even make it past the primaries. The only thing he has going for him is the whole America's Mayor bullshit and even that isn't working anymore.
    OK. If it comes down to Hillary v. Anybody, then Anybody will win...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    John Budge wrote:
    OK. If it comes down to Hillary v. Anybody, then Anybody will win...


    Well regardless of who wins, unless it's Gravel, Kucinich, or Paul, we will end up with a shitty ass president.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,976
    Bush has severly hurt the Repub's chances and has set the party back. Unless the repubs can find a leader the likes of Ronald Reagan, the repubs will wallow in insignificance for some time to come.

    I guess one other way to come out of it would be complete ineptitude by the Dems, which is certainly a possibility.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I guess one other way to come out of it would be complete ineptitude by the Dems, which is certainly a possibility.

    a very strong one, my friend...
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    The Republican party is finished.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    In my opinion, Bush has handed the Democrats the next presidency.
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    In my opinion, Bush has handed the Democrats the next presidency.

    I think it's a mix of Bush sucking and the top contenders for the nomination being losers.

    Giuliani, Romney, McCain...even Thompson. They're all complete lightweights.

    No one is excited about these guys. Giuliani is pro-choice, pro gun control, and pro-gay. Romney changed his views on those issues just a few months ago so he could run for president. McCain supports amnesty. And Thompson has no experience, just words. He's also on Law and Order and that show sucks!

    I fear that Hillary may win it.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Bush has severly hurt the Repub's chances and has set the party back. Unless the repubs can find a leader the likes of Ronald Reagan, the repubs will wallow in insignificance for some time to come.

    I guess one other way to come out of it would be complete ineptitude by the Dems, which is certainly a possibility.

    i think the lack of choice is reflective of the system ... idealogues don't get anywhere because the system is catered to the corrupt ...

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