Question for the Republicans on this board:
Bu2
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For those of you who plan to vote in 2008, can you please tell me what you think of Bush’s effect on the Republican candidates and their chances?
The reason I ask, and I’ve been giving this great thought, is that I can’t quite understand where Bush is going politically. I can see where he’s going everywhere else (all wrong), and therefore I can’t understand what he’s trying to gain for his party in the future.
We all know it’s only a matter of time before the Republicans in Congress (the House and the Senate) turn their backs on him -- we all know quite a few of them have already.
We all know that McCain, who was the forerunner a year ago, no longer has a chance in hell. We all know that Giuliani’s only stance is his 9/11 America’s Mayor theme (and it’s no longer having the effect that it once had). We all know Thompson hasn’t even thrown his hat in officially, yet already his campaign is in doubt (two stories I read recently: “Thompson Fires his Campaign Manager” and “Thompson as Lobbyist Supported Abortion Rights”). Huckabee, Brownback, even your beloved Ron Paul have no financial chances whatsoever and don’t even reach more than 5% in the polls. That leaves us with Mitt Romney, the flip-flopper extraordinaire, whose campaign is already heading towards debt, and whose credibility has already become the butt of jokes all over the papers and internet.
So if Bush’s party that he’s been so forcefully fighting for has no candidate worth voting for, then why has been Bush been taking over the Supreme Court and ripping up the Constitution? What is his gain, in making American voters become so disenchanted that they have no choice but to vote Democrat in the next election?
His mainstream media touts Hillary as the only Democratic candidate worth watching….why is that? Are the two of them in cahoots?
Or is Bush planning to somehow extend his term as President? Frankly, I wouldn’t put it past him and Cheney.
But since I’m not Mel Gibson’s character in “Conspiracy Theory”, I’ll just post this and run off somewhere else, and let you all enlighten me while I’m gone.
Thanks, and peace,
Bu
The reason I ask, and I’ve been giving this great thought, is that I can’t quite understand where Bush is going politically. I can see where he’s going everywhere else (all wrong), and therefore I can’t understand what he’s trying to gain for his party in the future.
We all know it’s only a matter of time before the Republicans in Congress (the House and the Senate) turn their backs on him -- we all know quite a few of them have already.
We all know that McCain, who was the forerunner a year ago, no longer has a chance in hell. We all know that Giuliani’s only stance is his 9/11 America’s Mayor theme (and it’s no longer having the effect that it once had). We all know Thompson hasn’t even thrown his hat in officially, yet already his campaign is in doubt (two stories I read recently: “Thompson Fires his Campaign Manager” and “Thompson as Lobbyist Supported Abortion Rights”). Huckabee, Brownback, even your beloved Ron Paul have no financial chances whatsoever and don’t even reach more than 5% in the polls. That leaves us with Mitt Romney, the flip-flopper extraordinaire, whose campaign is already heading towards debt, and whose credibility has already become the butt of jokes all over the papers and internet.
So if Bush’s party that he’s been so forcefully fighting for has no candidate worth voting for, then why has been Bush been taking over the Supreme Court and ripping up the Constitution? What is his gain, in making American voters become so disenchanted that they have no choice but to vote Democrat in the next election?
His mainstream media touts Hillary as the only Democratic candidate worth watching….why is that? Are the two of them in cahoots?
Or is Bush planning to somehow extend his term as President? Frankly, I wouldn’t put it past him and Cheney.
But since I’m not Mel Gibson’s character in “Conspiracy Theory”, I’ll just post this and run off somewhere else, and let you all enlighten me while I’m gone.
Thanks, and peace,
Bu
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In the meantime, enlighten me.
I think Bush has fucked republicans. so many are trying to distance themselves from him, even if they tend to agree with him. he is unpopular.
shortly after 9/11 bush had an 85% approval rating. which means many liberals approved of bush. now with the reversed, many republicans are now disapproving oh him.
So he's obviously not helping his party's candidates, is he? Is it that he's selfish and just doesn't care?
I know most of you, here, admire Ron Paul, and I think he's great too (in some respects), and I also like Hagel (don't forget, I was a Republican all my 42 years until now), but getting back to the real world.....where is your party going?
Where is your party headed? Can you all please tell me?
your post asked for republicans, and i'm conservative before a republican, so take it for what you will...
i think bush has alienated everyone, the left and the right....and will have zero impact on 2008. us hatemongering cons think he really dropped the ball on immigration, and if you want to go after impeachment, look into this Campean and Ramos thing...hell, i may join you...
the funny thing is...bush is a liberal...(meaning, he wants to please other people instead of doing what's right) i can't IMAGINE what you people would do to a conservative candidate. that's why nutjobs like me are displeased with him.
the key in my view...is about finding people who care more about doing what's right, than gaining power...
the sad thing is...i think that liberals and conservatives all agree on this...but our choices don't deliver
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
don't confuse party for ideology...
i have NO alleigence to the GOP, and i think most people interested in politics view themselves as conservatives or liberals before republicans and democrats. the party labels do mean more now than they have in the past, but not as much as the drive bys want you to believe.
if it were up to me, every election would be between rush limbaugh and michael moore...i like people who come out and SAY what they believe, instead of pandering. it would be nice if candidates could lay it out on the line and actually be held accountable.
back to your point...hagel is a hack...a lib from my view...maybe your version of lieberman, i don't know.
i think the party is going way too left...they were successful when they went right (1980, 1994), they go astray when they bend over and grab the ankles and let the special interests have their way
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I honestly don't see a Republican winning the presidency in 2008, that includes my beloved Ron Paul. That doesn't doesn't make me feel that good because the alternative is not that much better.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It usually takes 1 Republican and 1 Democrat to ruin an election.
Guiliani will not even make it past the primaries. The only thing he has going for him is the whole America's Mayor bullshit and even that isn't working anymore.
Well regardless of who wins, unless it's Gravel, Kucinich, or Paul, we will end up with a shitty ass president.
I guess one other way to come out of it would be complete ineptitude by the Dems, which is certainly a possibility.
a very strong one, my friend...
-Enoch Powell
Untill their will grows tired
I think it's a mix of Bush sucking and the top contenders for the nomination being losers.
Giuliani, Romney, McCain...even Thompson. They're all complete lightweights.
No one is excited about these guys. Giuliani is pro-choice, pro gun control, and pro-gay. Romney changed his views on those issues just a few months ago so he could run for president. McCain supports amnesty. And Thompson has no experience, just words. He's also on Law and Order and that show sucks!
I fear that Hillary may win it.
-Enoch Powell
i think the lack of choice is reflective of the system ... idealogues don't get anywhere because the system is catered to the corrupt ...
This statement says a lot about our current political situation. I believe that most people do hate Congress and they are fed up with the shit choices we are given when it comes to our elected official, but yet the people do nothing about it. They keep swallowing the shit sandwich that the Dems and Reps put infront of us. You don't know how many times I hear well I would vote for so and so but he/she doesn't have a chance to win. If everyone that expressed that sentiment actually voted for those people they would win.
I don't know who said it on this board, but they said that we get the president (or any other elected official) we deserve. The American public is so apathetic to who we vote into office that we deserve to get the shitty representation we get. We really have no one to blame but ourselves.
Congress actually has a lower approval rating than Bush. I think Americans just disapprove of everybody.
for the least they could possibly do
Maybe this is being done so on purpose. Who knows, who really wants to take the Presidency and TRY to clean up this mess. George W Bush A failure in the military, failure an oilman, failure as a baseball owner and as a President....?
Or maybe this is an arrangement to let Democrats in 2008...they fail turning this country around then in 2012 a grand return of the bush family from either Jeb or Marvin Bush. Either way they'll have a zillions of $$$ to back their campaign.
Peace
Earle
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Peace
Earle
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
(I'm an ethical vegetarian who doesnt even eat marshmallows nor wear leather, and believe in the death penalty and capitalism).
imho - bush has been consistent, and I understand what he's been doing. However - I think his management of the war is horrible, and the republicans are kinda in a tough spot.
If any of the nominees run to the left, they'll get crushed by conservative voters. If they run to the right, they'll bump into Georgie and get into more trouble.
I think an "independent" thinker is what we need, in both parties.
Put Obama against McCain.
Put Kusinitch against Thompson.
...but damnit, keep Jeb and Hillary the hell out of this one. we need new blood badly.
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After what the Bush Administration has done over the 6/7 years I'll never ever underestimate their capabilities. After Bush 41 I never thought Bush 43 would end up where he is but he's in there...though by the skin of his teeth.
I'm all for putting Obama against any Republican. He'd win.
And, um, it's Kucinich, not Kusinitch.
Put Obama against McCain.
Put Kusinitch against Thompson.
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as a candidate - or I would "believe in myself" like kids believe in santa?
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
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*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
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