Excuses already?

Mrs.Vedder78 · November 2008

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Where the hell has Pessimisim ever got us?

The sun rose this morning and we have a new Leader

No doubt the country is a mess
No doubt we have a big challenge ahead of us

Ultimately It's up to us...and only us to take Obama to task on his promises.

But for Christ Sakes

Let's have some fucking Hope and belief for once...

Oh man and is the sun shinning here today!

I walked out the door and thought what I beautfiul day in every way.

Today I feel full of hope and I dont anyone can put a damp on my day today

ACCBootlegGoddess · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....

Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.

Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.

OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.

decides2dream · November 2008

Urban Hiker wrote:

Enjoy your day. I doubt many people have much of a concentration level today for ANY kind of work.

well luckily, i have no work.

so thus i can read and post here today, again...and just luxuriate in hope for the future.

polaris wrote:

think this is obama's biggest obstacle ... an America that really can't definite itself in terms of its social and fisal values ...

he's gonna need to find some issue that he can bond the country which is no easy feat as americans are very divided to begin with ...

i agree, it's a HUGE obstacle. however, i see his victory as the first big step of unification. more people voted for him than not...and while still tight, and divided, oi think we are more 'unififed' than we have been in a loooonnnngggg time!

cincybearcat wrote:

I think you missed the point, of course nothing can be done yet...but Harry Reid is already out there saying it'll take as long as it takes and timelines don't matter...that's terrible leadership. It's the position one takes when they don't really know what they are doing and don't want to be held accountable.

This reflects very poorly on Reid and the Dem Congress (the incumbents anyhow). This shouldn't reflect on Obama, I'm not saying that.

no, i didn't miss your point - not entirely in any case. i just think you focusing on that TODAY is bit...much? it's just my opinion. making such a statement, in and of itself, to me signifies nothing of what you apparently believe. i think it's a lot more realistic to make such a statement, especially right now, today. change DOES take time, all this momentous change is JUST getting started, and only truly decided last night...so i's a bit much to expect timetables right NOW. and harry reid or whomever may have wored it poorly, and/or maybe he individually believes that..i don't know.....but we are ony now getting new leadership, so i personally give them the grace period to get their shit together and formulate their plans of action, etc.....and yes, i think discussions of timeframes, etc...just a wee bit premature at the moment. just imo. i will say that i did assume you were by default also referring to obama, so for that...yes, mistaken. bottomline, for me, today is a day of celebration. it's a long road ahead....

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.

exactly.

obama or ANYone.....it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.

cincybearcat · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

why not turn your attention to your CURRENT president, who trying to pass legislation that would exhonerate him from any future warcrimes charges?

You know, I can think abotu more than 1 thing at a time...you are more like McCain then you probably want to believe.

Seriously, chill. I heard Harry Reid talking in an interview, backpeddling from expectations, and I found it humorous.

FYI - I voted for Obama, though I may have some sour grapes for all the incumbents that th eidiots kept in office.

cincybearcat · November 2008

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.

Huh? Harry Reid's been in office for sometime and the Dems have had a majority for years. Is Harry Reid's middle name Obama? Why do you keep syaing that?

Mrs.Vedder78 · November 2008

decides2dream wrote:

exactly.

obama or ANYone.....it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.

That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).

jimed14 · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

You know, I can think abotu more than 1 thing at a time...you are more like McCain then you probably want to believe.

Seriously, chill. I heard Harry Reid talking in an interview, backpeddling from expectations, and I found it humorous.

FYI - I voted for Obama, though I may have some sour grapes for all the incumbents that th eidiots kept in office.

here's the deal ... Obama, he's one smart cat ...

I got a feeling Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are in for a serious fucking awakening if they don't want to get shit done.

But, despite what his detractors say, Obama is NOT the messiah, he cannot snap his fingers and the economy is back on track, or the troops are home.

(cue Axl whistling) what we need is just a little patience ....

cincybearcat · November 2008

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).

Perhaps you should re-read.

pjalive21 · November 2008

i wonder if people are going to bash Obama and the Dems if they totally, i mean WHEN they screw up like they did Bush

cant use Bush as an excuse anymore

angelica · November 2008

decides2dream wrote:

it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.

I personally base my "more of the same" stuff on what Obama has said these few years...where he stands on issues. While I love hope, I also don't allow it to mystify what people tell me about exactly where they stand on an issue. when people clearly tell me where they stand, rather, I listen very carefully and take them seriously until I have reason to see otherwise.

I don't excuse what they say. I don't justify it, or say "oh, he probably said that just to get into power so he can make real change" or "that's not probably his real stance..he's probably just saying that to appease such and such a group". I call 'em as I see 'em. By recognizing what's before me, I am able to see ahead to the horizon.

cincybearcat · November 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

i wonder if people are going to bash Obama and the Dems if they totally, i mean WHEN they screw up like they did Bush

cant use Bush as an excuse anymore

I actually have some faith in Obama...but none in the Dem congress.

pjalive21 · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

I actually have some faith in Obama...but none in the Dem congress.

i can hope for Obama, i have no choice

i have 0 faith in the Dem congress, they've had 2 years and did more damage than Bush

ACCBootlegGoddess · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

Huh? Harry Reid's been in office for sometime and the Dems have had a majority for years. Is Harry Reid's middle name Obama? Why do you keep syaing that?

I knew you weren't talking about Obama directly...I guess I shoulda read more carefully before replying. My apologies.

decides2dream · November 2008

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).

indeed.
day after the elction, i simply think it's a bit much to say 'more of the same.' a lot of strategizing and planning, and a helluva LOT of hard work needs to get done. do i think, collectively, it's possible? i sure as hell hope so. i think the obama victory, and the overall victory for democrats - even tho i am really not about party lines - does send a cleat message of what the vast majority of americans DO want. hope the representatives that WE choose...actually listen and take heed.

and yes, i have heard all obama and others have said all along...thus why i voted for him. people believe and choose as they see fit. their reasons are their own and not my concern. i am just happily, finally, i feel like what i truly hope for has a chance of actually happening.

and i just walked past the TV and CNN on at work....and yes, verified the fact that obama's popular vote IS the largest gap in a long, long time. this election IS historic on so many fronts. voter turnout over 64%.

cincybearcat · November 2008

decides2dream wrote:

voter turnout over 64%.

This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.

decides2dream · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.

yes.
that and how all the deciding states, such as OH, FL, etc....all went for obama....amazing! and sure, it IS pathetically low in the scheme of things, but we as a country aren't nearly as great as many americans would have us all believe.

i think new registrants, young voter turnout, etc....all vastly imrpoved...and that speaks volumes! pretty kcik-ass electorate votes as well. thus why i say this election is historic on so many issues. let's all hope it sends the clear message we want it all to deliver.

pjalive21 · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.

glad everyone came out and voted, but where are these people during all the other elections? there is nothing to be called a "gift"....people wanted handouts and came out in droves to get it, i guess there is the gift

i guess America really wanted Socialism and they came out to vote and get it...what a democratic process

jimed14 · November 2008

pjalive21 wrote:

glad everyone came out and voted, but where are these people during all the other elections? there is nothing to be called a "gift"....people wanted handouts and came out in droves to get it, i guess there is the gift

i guess America really wanted Socialism and they came out to vote and get it...what a democratic process

my firends ... our economy hasn't be a PURE capitalist society for a very VERY long time.

Remember it was John McCain's hero, REPUBLICAN, Teddy Roosevelt, that instituted the progressive tax system.

It was Ronald fucking Reagan that championed the Earned Income Tax Credit. Indeed, returning money to people who pay no income taxes.

America has spoken ... wake up.

cincybearcat · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

my firends ... our economy hasn't be a PURE capitalist society for a very VERY long time.

Remember it was John McCain's hero, REPUBLICAN, Teddy Roosevelt, that instituted the progressive tax system.

It was Ronald fucking Reagan that championed the Earned Income Tax Credit. Indeed, returning money to people who pay no income taxes.

America has spoken ... wake up.

Even the great ones mess up from time to time.

Also, don;t you think we need a tax system for the 21st century...this ain't Teddy's America anymore...Cincybearcat 2012...Flat tax!!!!

fugawzi · November 2008

cincybearcat wrote:

Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....

Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.

Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.

Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?

Excuses already?

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