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cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
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Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....

Hmmmm, this sounds familiar. ;)

Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Hahahaha. My first post after Obama was elected was that he and Pelosi have no more excuses for being inefficient and ineffective.

    Hope and change!
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....

    Hmmmm, this sounds familiar. ;)

    Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.

    Harry Reid is a idiot...
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    The proof will be in the pudding....will Congress sit on its collective ass like it has for the last two years, or will they actually try to do something??? Will the Obama team suddenly start acting like the Bushes and the Clintons by attempting to grab everything that ain't nailed down?? We will see.....
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    tybird wrote:
    The proof will be in the pudding....will Congress sit on its collective ass like it has for the last two years, or will they actually try to do something??? Will the Obama team suddenly start acting like the Bushes and the Clintons by attempting to grab everything that ain't nailed down?? We will see.....

    exactly.
    sheesh.
    the man isn't even in office yet! and no, change does not happen overnight...but we will see if he puts the wheels in motion. i've waiting 8 long years, i think i can wait and see for a bit.....
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Don't worry Cinci it will be the same old, same old come a year or less from now. Wouldn't a real wake up call or change had been to actually scare the two parties by having a third or fourth party make some real noise. Ah, yeah!
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    even flow? wrote:
    Don't worry Cinci it will be the same old, same old come a year or less from now. Wouldn't a real wake up call or change had been to actually scare the two parties by having a third or fourth party make some real noise. Ah, yeah!

    I am inclined to agree ... While this election result might be good for the American soul, so to speak, I am not sure what massive changes can be accomplished under the current economic and sociopolical conditions. What's Obama going to do, exactly? Time will tell. I suspect the U.S. will still be the U.S., when all is said and done.
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    decides2dream wrote:
    exactly.
    sheesh.
    the man isn't even in office yet! and no, change does not happen overnight...but we will see if he puts the wheels in motion. i've waiting 8 long years, i think i can wait and see for a bit.....

    Don't wait, work. We the people have to make sure the progressive agenda stays intact. That can start now.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    I'm basically with you guys....
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Don't wait, work. We the people have to make sure the progressive agenda stays intact. That can start now.
    cool!
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Not much is going to change under Obama and I think a lot of liberals and progressives will be extremely disappointed in a few years. What he can change, and I believe this is extremely important for the health of this country, is that he can heal the wounds created by the Bush administration. The last 8 years have been so damaging to this county. The Bush administration lead the way to creating a very divided country and we have struggled because of that. Hopefully Obama can end that and we can start working together. If he can accomplish that then we will be OK.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Don't wait, work. We the people have to make sure the progressive agenda stays intact. That can start now.



    i agree...and i also believe it IS obama's intention to get to work NOW. however, the OP sure makes it sound like that isn't the plan. my only point is....focusing on 'excuses'...already?! spare me. let the man get in action, then judge all you want! hell, if i am unhappy i will say so too!


    and in regards to a progressive agenda...it all depends on just what and how progressive you may think, we might not all be on the same page there.


    anyhoo...whatever. i agree we need forward motion. however, for today....i plan to enjoy the victory. at least for today. i think we as a country deserve that. :)
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    decides2dream wrote:
    i agree...and i also believe it IS obama's intention to get to work NOW. however, the OP sure makes it sound like that isn't the plan. my only point is....focusing on 'excuses'...already?! spare me. let the man get in action, then judge all you want! hell, if i am unhappy i will say so too!


    and in regards to a progressive agenda...it all depends on just what and how progressive you may think, we might not all be on the same page there.


    anyhoo...whatever. i agree we need forward motion. however, for today....i plan to enjoy the victory. at least for today. i think we as a country deserve that. :)

    Enjoy your day. I doubt many people have much of a concentration level today for ANY kind of work. :p
    Walking can be a real trip
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    decides2dream wrote:
    and in regards to a progressive agenda...it all depends on just what and how progressive you may think, we might not all be on the same page there.

    i think this is obama's biggest obstacle ... an America that really can't definite itself in terms of its social and fisal values ...

    he's gonna need to find some issue that he can bond the country which is no easy feat as americans are very divided to begin with ...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    decides2dream wrote:
    exactly.
    sheesh.
    the man isn't even in office yet! and no, change does not happen overnight...but we will see if he puts the wheels in motion. i've waiting 8 long years, i think i can wait and see for a bit.....


    I think you missed the point, of course nothing can be done yet...but Harry Reid is already out there saying it'll take as long as it takes and timelines don't matter...that's terrible leadership. It's the position one takes when they don't really know what they are doing and don't want to be held accountable.

    This reflects very poorly on Reid and the Dem Congress (the incumbents anyhow). This shouldn't reflect on Obama, I'm not saying that.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    for fuck's sake ... RELAX.

    the election was called 13 hours ago ...

    you'll have PLENTY of time to rifle through the misgivings and errors of the new administration as they come (if they come), no fucking point in shitting in everyone's cheerios this morning.

    what a bunch of sour fucking grapes.
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  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    jimed14 wrote:
    for fuck's sake ... RELAX.

    the election was called 13 hours ago ...

    you'll have PLENTY of time to rifle through the misgivings and errors of the new administration as they come (if they come), no fucking point in shitting in everyone's cheerios this morning.

    what a bunch of sour fucking grapes.


    Where the hell has Pessimisim ever got us?

    The sun rose this morning and we have a new Leader

    No doubt the country is a mess
    No doubt we have a big challenge ahead of us

    Ultimately It's up to us...and only us to take Obama to task on his promises.

    But for Christ Sakes

    Let's have some fucking Hope and belief for once...
  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    jimed14 wrote:
    for fuck's sake ... RELAX.

    the election was called 13 hours ago ...

    you'll have PLENTY of time to rifle through the misgivings and errors of the new administration as they come (if they come), no fucking point in shitting in everyone's cheerios this morning.

    what a bunch of sour fucking grapes.


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    jimed14 wrote:
    for fuck's sake ... RELAX.

    the election was called 13 hours ago ...

    you'll have PLENTY of time to rifle through the misgivings and errors of the new administration as they come (if they come), no fucking point in shitting in everyone's cheerios this morning.

    what a bunch of sour fucking grapes.


    Huh? I think maybe you need to take your own advice and relax.

    What about this is sour grapes? Is it not legitimate to talk about? I thought the Dems were for timelines?

    And again, you need to separate the different topics...Obama won is one topic...The dems gaining a bigger majority and Harry Reid basically backpeddling on expectations is another.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Where the hell has Pessimisim ever got us?

    The sun rose this morning and we have a new Leader

    No doubt the country is a mess
    No doubt we have a big challenge ahead of us

    Ultimately It's up to us...and only us to take Obama to task on his promises.

    But for Christ Sakes

    Let's have some fucking Hope and belief for once...

    Again...this isn't dealing with Obama...it's about the Dem Congress and their leader Harry Reid.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Huh? I think maybe you need to take your own advice and relax.

    What about this is sour grapes? Is it not legitimate to talk about? I thought the Dems were for timelines?

    And again, you need to separate the different topics...Obama won is one topic...The dems gaining a bigger majority and Harry Reid basically backpeddling on expectations is another.

    why not turn your attention to your CURRENT president, who trying to pass legislation that would exhonerate him from any future warcrimes charges?
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Where the hell has Pessimisim ever got us?

    The sun rose this morning and we have a new Leader

    No doubt the country is a mess
    No doubt we have a big challenge ahead of us

    Ultimately It's up to us...and only us to take Obama to task on his promises.

    But for Christ Sakes

    Let's have some fucking Hope and belief for once...

    Oh man and is the sun shinning here today! :D
    I walked out the door and thought what I beautfiul day in every way.

    Today I feel full of hope and I dont anyone can put a damp on my day today :D
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • ACCBootlegGoddessACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,250
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....

    Hmmmm, this sounds familiar. ;)

    Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.


    OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Enjoy your day. I doubt many people have much of a concentration level today for ANY kind of work. :p



    well luckily, i have no work. :p
    so thus i can read and post here today, again...and just luxuriate in hope for the future. :)


    polaris wrote:
    think this is obama's biggest obstacle ... an America that really can't definite itself in terms of its social and fisal values ...

    he's gonna need to find some issue that he can bond the country which is no easy feat as americans are very divided to begin with ...


    i agree, it's a HUGE obstacle. however, i see his victory as the first big step of unification. more people voted for him than not...and while still tight, and divided, oi think we are more 'unififed' than we have been in a loooonnnngggg time!

    cincybearcat wrote:
    I think you missed the point, of course nothing can be done yet...but Harry Reid is already out there saying it'll take as long as it takes and timelines don't matter...that's terrible leadership. It's the position one takes when they don't really know what they are doing and don't want to be held accountable.

    This reflects very poorly on Reid and the Dem Congress (the incumbents anyhow). This shouldn't reflect on Obama, I'm not saying that.


    no, i didn't miss your point - not entirely in any case. i just think you focusing on that TODAY is bit...much? it's just my opinion. making such a statement, in and of itself, to me signifies nothing of what you apparently believe. i think it's a lot more realistic to make such a statement, especially right now, today. change DOES take time, all this momentous change is JUST getting started, and only truly decided last night...so i's a bit much to expect timetables right NOW. and harry reid or whomever may have wored it poorly, and/or maybe he individually believes that..i don't know.....but we are ony now getting new leadership, so i personally give them the grace period to get their shit together and formulate their plans of action, etc.....and yes, i think discussions of timeframes, etc...just a wee bit premature at the moment. just imo. i will say that i did assume you were by default also referring to obama, so for that...yes, mistaken. bottomline, for me, today is a day of celebration. it's a long road ahead....


    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.




    exactly.

    obama or ANYone.....it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    jimed14 wrote:
    why not turn your attention to your CURRENT president, who trying to pass legislation that would exhonerate him from any future warcrimes charges?


    You know, I can think abotu more than 1 thing at a time...you are more like McCain then you probably want to believe. ;)

    Seriously, chill. I heard Harry Reid talking in an interview, backpeddling from expectations, and I found it humorous.

    FYI - I voted for Obama, though I may have some sour grapes for all the incumbents that th eidiots kept in office. ;)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    OMG the man hasn't been sworn in yet...I wouldn't put timelines either until I've been PROPERLY briefed on all aspects of the country and have a solid grasp on EXACTLY what I've inherited from Bush. It would be irresponsible for Obama to do othewise.


    Huh? Harry Reid's been in office for sometime and the Dems have had a majority for years. Is Harry Reid's middle name Obama? Why do you keep syaing that?
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    decides2dream wrote:
    exactly.

    obama or ANYone.....it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.

    That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    cincybearcat wrote:
    You know, I can think abotu more than 1 thing at a time...you are more like McCain then you probably want to believe. ;)

    Seriously, chill. I heard Harry Reid talking in an interview, backpeddling from expectations, and I found it humorous.

    FYI - I voted for Obama, though I may have some sour grapes for all the incumbents that th eidiots kept in office. ;)

    here's the deal ... Obama, he's one smart cat ...

    I got a feeling Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are in for a serious fucking awakening if they don't want to get shit done.

    But, despite what his detractors say, Obama is NOT the messiah, he cannot snap his fingers and the economy is back on track, or the troops are home.

    (cue Axl whistling) what we need is just a little patience ....
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,508
    Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:
    That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).


    Perhaps you should re-read.
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  • pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    i wonder if people are going to bash Obama and the Dems if they totally, i mean WHEN they screw up like they did Bush

    cant use Bush as an excuse anymore
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    decides2dream wrote:



    it's just a bit slanted to be saying 'more of the same'...the day AFTER the election.
    I personally base my "more of the same" stuff on what Obama has said these few years...where he stands on issues. While I love hope, I also don't allow it to mystify what people tell me about exactly where they stand on an issue. when people clearly tell me where they stand, rather, I listen very carefully and take them seriously until I have reason to see otherwise.

    I don't excuse what they say. I don't justify it, or say "oh, he probably said that just to get into power so he can make real change" or "that's not probably his real stance..he's probably just saying that to appease such and such a group". I call 'em as I see 'em. By recognizing what's before me, I am able to see ahead to the horizon.
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