Huh? Harry Reid's been in office for sometime and the Dems have had a majority for years. Is Harry Reid's middle name Obama? Why do you keep syaing that?
I knew you weren't talking about Obama directly...I guess I shoulda read more carefully before replying. My apologies.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
That's exactly how this thread sounds to me (and obviously its not only me).
indeed.
day after the elction, i simply think it's a bit much to say 'more of the same.' a lot of strategizing and planning, and a helluva LOT of hard work needs to get done. do i think, collectively, it's possible? i sure as hell hope so. i think the obama victory, and the overall victory for democrats - even tho i am really not about party lines - does send a cleat message of what the vast majority of americans DO want. hope the representatives that WE choose...actually listen and take heed.
and yes, i have heard all obama and others have said all along...thus why i voted for him. people believe and choose as they see fit. their reasons are their own and not my concern. i am just happily, finally, i feel like what i truly hope for has a chance of actually happening.
and i just walked past the TV and CNN on at work....and yes, verified the fact that obama's popular vote IS the largest gap in a long, long time. this election IS historic on so many fronts. voter turnout over 64%.
This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.
This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.
yes.
that and how all the deciding states, such as OH, FL, etc....all went for obama....amazing! and sure, it IS pathetically low in the scheme of things, but we as a country aren't nearly as great as many americans would have us all believe. i think new registrants, young voter turnout, etc....all vastly imrpoved...and that speaks volumes! pretty kcik-ass electorate votes as well. thus why i say this election is historic on so many issues. let's all hope it sends the clear message we want it all to deliver.
This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.
glad everyone came out and voted, but where are these people during all the other elections? there is nothing to be called a "gift"....people wanted handouts and came out in droves to get it, i guess there is the gift
i guess America really wanted Socialism and they came out to vote and get it...what a democratic process
glad everyone came out and voted, but where are these people during all the other elections? there is nothing to be called a "gift"....people wanted handouts and came out in droves to get it, i guess there is the gift
i guess America really wanted Socialism and they came out to vote and get it...what a democratic process
my firends ... our economy hasn't be a PURE capitalist society for a very VERY long time.
Remember it was John McCain's hero, REPUBLICAN, Teddy Roosevelt, that instituted the progressive tax system.
It was Ronald fucking Reagan that championed the Earned Income Tax Credit. Indeed, returning money to people who pay no income taxes.
America has spoken ... wake up.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....
Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.
Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.
Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?
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Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?
day one? day one isn't 'til January!
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?
I thought Obama was our president-elect. I had no idea Harry Reid is. Since this thread is about Reid, that must be who your talking about.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?
Once again people...READING COMPREHENSION...
Harry Reid is the Dem Senate Majority Leader...I'm refering to him and the Dem Congress worthlessness. I have no faith in them. I really wish every incumbent had lost. That si why I mentioned "Mr. Reid" and not Mr. Obama...
And I've clarified a FEW times now. Man, now I am starting to lose faith in Obama as president if these are the people that voted for him.
Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.
That has nothing to do with him? Also, The democrats won at least 6 seats in the senate yesterday so when I said day one it was relevant to this thread. The point is, why be so negative one day after the election? None of us know what's going to happen. It's just partisan to sit here and argue about Republican and Democrat. It's decided already for the next 2 to 4 years.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....
Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.
Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.
things take time, just look at his environmental policy, only 25% renewable energy by 2025
it's this concept of baby steps which is really an orwellian way to say we want to drag our feet and continue being ineffectual, but hey, i'm a little better than the other guy
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It's odd that the author doesn't mention the best example for Obama to follow, the Clinton administration ...
He tried to RAM healthcare reform down the throats of congress right out of the box and was beat up for it ... took him a while to revcover form that disaster.
The one thing Obama has going for him ... he is one smart cat. I know being president is different than running a campaign, but ... he is really a smart fucking guy. And surrounds himself with more smart people.
I fully expect this to take time, and for him to be a steady, progressive leader.
He will not solve all the country's woes on Jan 21st ... and as he stated last night, hell, it will not be a one term panacea ...
But ... I think ... I hope ... it will be a steady, clearly evident progress forward and upward for this country.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
It's odd that the author doesn't mention the best example for Obama to follow, the Clinton administration ...
He tried to RAM healthcare reform down the throats of congress right out of the box and was beat up for it ... took him a while to revcover form that disaster.
The one thing Obama has going for him ... he is one smart cat. I know being president is different than running a campaign, but ... he is really a smart fucking guy. And surrounds himself with more smart people.
I fully expect this to take time, and for him to be a steady, progressive leader.
He will not solve all the country's woes on Jan 21st ... and as he stated last night, hell, it will not be a one term panacea ...
But ... I think ... I hope ... it will be a steady, clearly evident progress forward and upward for this country.
i don't think anyone to feels he will solve all the problems by Jan 21st or anything but i would like to see actual change, not dragging feet and little half steps. and i still fail to see how building new nuclear power plants (and everyone seems to ignore the fact that taxpayer money will be used to finance these which could go further w/ other energy alternatives like wind, solar, geothermal...) and creating more toxic waste to sit around leaking and poisoning the area for a couple thousand years is 'change' much less change i can believe in
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i don't think anyone to feels he will solve all the problems by Jan 21st or anything but i would like to see actual change, not dragging feet and little half steps. and i still fail to see how building new nuclear power plants (and everyone seems to ignore the fact that taxpayer money will be used to finance these which could go further w/ other energy alternatives like wind, solar, geothermal...) and creating more toxic waste to sit around leaking and poisoning the area for a couple thousand years is 'change' much less change i can believe in
well, if Nuclear is your issue, you need not worry, this is one area where I tihnk Obama will do nothing.
He kept stating he wanted to build "clean" nuclear plants ... and make sure before the plants were built, the waste could be disposed of.
Uh, is that even possible? I'm guessing, nuclear won't happen.
I think the biggest win could be in retooling the auto industry ...
The first computers were big, slow, clunky ...etc .... only a matter of time before we can build something that will not rely on oil and be every bit as good, with performance (well, for basic usage) as the current fleet of cars on the road.
Imagine if the US was the world leader in alternative energy autos?
I will say ... with Obama hiring David Axelrod as his senior advisor, and Robert Gibbs as his press secratary ... I will say, his run for 2012 has already started. I do not think there is going to be anything that pisses off the moderates that voted for him until he gains the their trust.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
well, if Nuclear is your issue, you need not worry, this is one area where I tihnk Obama will do nothing.
He kept stating he wanted to build "clean" nuclear plants ... and make sure before the plants were built, the waste could be disposed of.
Uh, is that even possible? I'm guessing, nuclear won't happen.
I think the biggest win could be in retooling the auto industry ...
The first computers were big, slow, clunky ...etc .... only a matter of time before we can build something that will not rely on oil and be every bit as good, with performance (well, for basic usage) as the current fleet of cars on the road.
Imagine if the US was the world leader in alternative energy autos?
I will say ... with Obama hiring David Axelrod as his senior advisor, and Robert Gibbs as his press secratary ... I will say, his run for 2012 has already started. I do not think there is going to be anything that pisses off the moderates that voted for him until he gains the their trust.
he didn't seem to care about 'clean' nuclear plants when he kept watering his bill on them down (after receiving lots of money from nuclear power companies like Exelon, coincidentally)
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Heard Mr. Reid talking about how you can't place arbitrary timelines on getting things accomplished....
Hmmmm, this sounds familiar.
Is it more of the same after all? I guess we'll sit back, empty our wallets and see what happens.
an appropriate response to accusations already.
maybe all the sore losers should shut the fuck up and let the guy get his cabinet together, let the new congress catch their breath, and let the lame-ass-duck administration go out with the wimper it justly deserves. it's still their baby. can't have two presidents at once.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
maybe all the sore losers should shut the fuck up and let the guy get his cabinet together, let the new congress catch their breath, and let the lame-ass-duck administration go out with the wimper it justly deserves. it's still their baby. can't have two presidents at once.
Harry Reid is putting a cabinet together?
For the slow readers, this thread is about Harry Reid. For some reason, all of the sore winners want to make it about The One, but it is specifically about Reid.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
For the slow readers, this thread is about Harry Reid. For some reason, all of the sore winners want to make it about The One, but it is specifically about Reid.
no, i realize that. that's why i mentioned the congress also. but by extension, and knowing where cincy comes from 99.9% of the time, it's obvious that he assumes the worst of dems all around, including the prez elect.
perhaps YOU'RE the slow reader.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
For the slow readers, this thread is about Harry Reid. For some reason, all of the sore winners want to make it about The One, but it is specifically about Reid.
But your first post was using Obama's "Hope and Change" message to attack Reid ... so, of course people are going to go off on tangents.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I think the important thing is to look at the process of what is happening within the Obama administration. There will of course be those people who say things such as "things aren't changing. He's just acting like a politician!" four days into his presidency, but I think Obama treated voters with enough intelligence that they release he's not playing a concert, he's becoming a President. And being a President is equal parts inspiration and procedural. If he is failing in his duties, then he should be criticized. If he operates in a stiffly partisan manner similar to our current President, he should be criticized. But I think to have any good discussion of his presidency, his critics will have to move beyond the blanket term "you're making excuses for him. Everything was supposed to change!" that we are sure to hear countless times in the weeks and months ahead. It gets the argument absolutely nowhere.
For the slow readers, this thread is about Harry Reid. For some reason, all of the sore winners want to make it about The One, but it is specifically about Reid.
Why would people "already" be making excuses about Reid? He wasn't just elected two to three days ago. I don't know why you mentioned this, because it's pretty obvious what recent event he was referring to that we were making excuses for.
Why would people "already" be making excuses about Reid? He wasn't just elected two to three days ago. I don't know why you mentioned this, because it's pretty obvious what recent event he was referring to that we were making excuses for.
I'm not making excuses about Reid. The OP posted that Reid was already making excuses.
This thread cracks me up.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I'm not making excuses about Reid. The OP posted that Reid was already making excuses.
This thread cracks me up.
I didn't mention anything about you making excuses. I was asking you what you'd possibly think the OP was referring to if not Obama when he said Reid was "making excuses." What else would he be talking about? You said this thread 'turned into' being about Obama. Who was being 'excused' then?
no, i realize that. that's why i mentioned the congress also. but by extension, and knowing where cincy comes from 99.9% of the time, it's obvious that he assumes the worst of dems all around, including the prez elect.
perhaps YOU'RE the slow reader.
Perhaps you should stop assuming. 99.9% of the time huh? Interesting.
Oh, and I voted for your messiah...I hope I don't live to regret it.
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I actually have some faith in Obama...but none in the Dem congress.
i can hope for Obama, i have no choice
i have 0 faith in the Dem congress, they've had 2 years and did more damage than Bush
I knew you weren't talking about Obama directly...I guess I shoulda read more carefully before replying. My apologies.
indeed.
day after the elction, i simply think it's a bit much to say 'more of the same.' a lot of strategizing and planning, and a helluva LOT of hard work needs to get done. do i think, collectively, it's possible? i sure as hell hope so. i think the obama victory, and the overall victory for democrats - even tho i am really not about party lines - does send a cleat message of what the vast majority of americans DO want. hope the representatives that WE choose...actually listen and take heed.
and yes, i have heard all obama and others have said all along...thus why i voted for him. people believe and choose as they see fit. their reasons are their own and not my concern. i am just happily, finally, i feel like what i truly hope for has a chance of actually happening.
and i just walked past the TV and CNN on at work....and yes, verified the fact that obama's popular vote IS the largest gap in a long, long time. this election IS historic on so many fronts. voter turnout over 64%.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
This is the single biggest gift that an Obama candidacy has given America. And still, it's patheticaly low...but from the optimist viewpoint, it's a great improvement.
yes.
that and how all the deciding states, such as OH, FL, etc....all went for obama....amazing! and sure, it IS pathetically low in the scheme of things, but we as a country aren't nearly as great as many americans would have us all believe.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
glad everyone came out and voted, but where are these people during all the other elections? there is nothing to be called a "gift"....people wanted handouts and came out in droves to get it, i guess there is the gift
i guess America really wanted Socialism and they came out to vote and get it...what a democratic process
my firends ... our economy hasn't be a PURE capitalist society for a very VERY long time.
Remember it was John McCain's hero, REPUBLICAN, Teddy Roosevelt, that instituted the progressive tax system.
It was Ronald fucking Reagan that championed the Earned Income Tax Credit. Indeed, returning money to people who pay no income taxes.
America has spoken ... wake up.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Even the great ones mess up from time to time.
Also, don;t you think we need a tax system for the 21st century...this ain't Teddy's America anymore...Cincybearcat 2012...Flat tax!!!!
Man I really didn't think people would be so sour on day one. Guess I was wrong. How about just give him a chance and hope for the best since he's OUR president now?
day one? day one isn't 'til January!
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I thought Obama was our president-elect. I had no idea Harry Reid is. Since this thread is about Reid, that must be who your talking about.
Once again people...READING COMPREHENSION...
Harry Reid is the Dem Senate Majority Leader...I'm refering to him and the Dem Congress worthlessness. I have no faith in them. I really wish every incumbent had lost. That si why I mentioned "Mr. Reid" and not Mr. Obama...
And I've clarified a FEW times now. Man, now I am starting to lose faith in Obama as president if these are the people that voted for him.
That has nothing to do with him? Also, The democrats won at least 6 seats in the senate yesterday so when I said day one it was relevant to this thread. The point is, why be so negative one day after the election? None of us know what's going to happen. It's just partisan to sit here and argue about Republican and Democrat. It's decided already for the next 2 to 4 years.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/zelizer.new.president/index.html
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
things take time, just look at his environmental policy, only 25% renewable energy by 2025
it's this concept of baby steps which is really an orwellian way to say we want to drag our feet and continue being ineffectual, but hey, i'm a little better than the other guy
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It's odd that the author doesn't mention the best example for Obama to follow, the Clinton administration ...
He tried to RAM healthcare reform down the throats of congress right out of the box and was beat up for it ... took him a while to revcover form that disaster.
The one thing Obama has going for him ... he is one smart cat. I know being president is different than running a campaign, but ... he is really a smart fucking guy. And surrounds himself with more smart people.
I fully expect this to take time, and for him to be a steady, progressive leader.
He will not solve all the country's woes on Jan 21st ... and as he stated last night, hell, it will not be a one term panacea ...
But ... I think ... I hope ... it will be a steady, clearly evident progress forward and upward for this country.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
i don't think anyone to feels he will solve all the problems by Jan 21st or anything but i would like to see actual change, not dragging feet and little half steps. and i still fail to see how building new nuclear power plants (and everyone seems to ignore the fact that taxpayer money will be used to finance these which could go further w/ other energy alternatives like wind, solar, geothermal...) and creating more toxic waste to sit around leaking and poisoning the area for a couple thousand years is 'change' much less change i can believe in
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well, if Nuclear is your issue, you need not worry, this is one area where I tihnk Obama will do nothing.
He kept stating he wanted to build "clean" nuclear plants ... and make sure before the plants were built, the waste could be disposed of.
Uh, is that even possible? I'm guessing, nuclear won't happen.
I think the biggest win could be in retooling the auto industry ...
The first computers were big, slow, clunky ...etc .... only a matter of time before we can build something that will not rely on oil and be every bit as good, with performance (well, for basic usage) as the current fleet of cars on the road.
Imagine if the US was the world leader in alternative energy autos?
I will say ... with Obama hiring David Axelrod as his senior advisor, and Robert Gibbs as his press secratary ... I will say, his run for 2012 has already started. I do not think there is going to be anything that pisses off the moderates that voted for him until he gains the their trust.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
he didn't seem to care about 'clean' nuclear plants when he kept watering his bill on them down (after receiving lots of money from nuclear power companies like Exelon, coincidentally)
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
an appropriate response to accusations already.
maybe all the sore losers should shut the fuck up and let the guy get his cabinet together, let the new congress catch their breath, and let the lame-ass-duck administration go out with the wimper it justly deserves. it's still their baby. can't have two presidents at once.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Harry Reid is putting a cabinet together?
For the slow readers, this thread is about Harry Reid. For some reason, all of the sore winners want to make it about The One, but it is specifically about Reid.
no, i realize that. that's why i mentioned the congress also. but by extension, and knowing where cincy comes from 99.9% of the time, it's obvious that he assumes the worst of dems all around, including the prez elect.
perhaps YOU'RE the slow reader.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
But your first post was using Obama's "Hope and Change" message to attack Reid ... so, of course people are going to go off on tangents.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Why would people "already" be making excuses about Reid? He wasn't just elected two to three days ago. I don't know why you mentioned this, because it's pretty obvious what recent event he was referring to that we were making excuses for.
I'm not making excuses about Reid. The OP posted that Reid was already making excuses.
This thread cracks me up.
I didn't mention anything about you making excuses. I was asking you what you'd possibly think the OP was referring to if not Obama when he said Reid was "making excuses." What else would he be talking about? You said this thread 'turned into' being about Obama. Who was being 'excused' then?
Perhaps you should stop assuming. 99.9% of the time huh? Interesting.
Oh, and I voted for your messiah...I hope I don't live to regret it.