Learning From Mistakes

MrBrian
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So America sold weapons to Israel, Israel sold weapons to Apartheid South Africa. Israel helped South Africa keep apartheid alive. they needed South Africa for a few reasons, one, material, two, African states were supporting the Arabs, but by turning South Africa into a sorta iron fist of Africa (and being on Israels side) they felt that apartheid would spread around Africa? nah, maybe just have the leaders controlled by them (Israel) and any Arab support would turn to Zionist support.
Now One of the major reasons why apartheid South Africa failed is due mainly because of lack of funds, It's expensive (apartheid), just ask Israel. Without Americas funding, Israel would not be able to continue it's own oppression towards the Palestinians.
Israels mentality these days is very similar to it's mentality in the 70's, only this time, only now they've perfected the art of propaganda and proxy wars.
They've seen the mistakes made by it's one time bed buddy apartheid South Africa and not tried to repeat them, Israel has perfected the art of apartheid, so much so that they've even got some of the anti South African apartheid people supporting them.
South Africas Nazi sympathiser ex president John Vorster would be proud of Israel. But I just can't help but think that Israels dirty history and current issues would have every holocaust victim turning in their graves due to it.
Now One of the major reasons why apartheid South Africa failed is due mainly because of lack of funds, It's expensive (apartheid), just ask Israel. Without Americas funding, Israel would not be able to continue it's own oppression towards the Palestinians.
Israels mentality these days is very similar to it's mentality in the 70's, only this time, only now they've perfected the art of propaganda and proxy wars.
They've seen the mistakes made by it's one time bed buddy apartheid South Africa and not tried to repeat them, Israel has perfected the art of apartheid, so much so that they've even got some of the anti South African apartheid people supporting them.
South Africas Nazi sympathiser ex president John Vorster would be proud of Israel. But I just can't help but think that Israels dirty history and current issues would have every holocaust victim turning in their graves due to it.
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MrBrian wrote:So America sold weapons to Israel, Israel sold weapons to Apartheid South Africa. Israel helped South Africa keep apartheid alive. they needed South Africa for a few reasons, one, material, two, African states were supporting the Arabs, but by turning South Africa into a sorta iron fist of Africa (and being on Israels side) they felt that apartheid would spread around Africa? nah, maybe just have the leaders controlled by them (Israel) and any Arab support would turn to Zionist support.
Now One of the major reasons why apartheid South Africa failed is due mainly because of lack of funds, It's expensive (apartheid), just ask Israel. Without Americas funding, Israel would not be able to continue it's own oppression towards the Palestinians.
Israels mentality these days is very similar to it's mentality in the 70's, only this time, only now they've perfected the art of propaganda and proxy wars.
They've seen the mistakes made by it's one time bed buddy apartheid South Africa and not tried to repeat them, Israel has perfected the art of apartheid, so much so that they've even got some of the anti South African apartheid people supporting them.
South Africas Nazi sympathiser ex president John Vorster would be proud of Israel. But I just can't help but think that Israels dirty history and current issues would have every holocaust victim turning in their graves due to it.
Blame America first... We'll figure out the rest later. If anyone cares?"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
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MrBrian wrote:So America sold weapons to Israel, Israel sold weapons to Apartheid South Africa. Israel helped South Africa keep apartheid alive. they needed South Africa for a few reasons, one, material, two, African states were supporting the Arabs, but by turning South Africa into a sorta iron fist of Africa (and being on Israels side) they felt that apartheid would spread around Africa? nah, maybe just have the leaders controlled by them (Israel) and any Arab support would turn to Zionist support.
Now One of the major reasons why apartheid South Africa failed is due mainly because of lack of funds, It's expensive (apartheid), just ask Israel. Without Americas funding, Israel would not be able to continue it's own oppression towards the Palestinians.
Israels mentality these days is very similar to it's mentality in the 70's, only this time, only now they've perfected the art of propaganda and proxy wars.
They've seen the mistakes made by it's one time bed buddy apartheid South Africa and not tried to repeat them, Israel has perfected the art of apartheid, so much so that they've even got some of the anti South African apartheid people supporting them.
South Africas Nazi sympathiser ex president John Vorster would be proud of Israel. But I just can't help but think that Israels dirty history and current issues would have every holocaust victim turning in their graves due to it.
Man, you are a sick puppy. Unless you know any holocaust survivors, as I do, don't speak for them. It's extremely offensive.0 -
Last Exodus wrote:Man, you are a sick puppy. Unless you know any holocaust survivors, as I do, don't speak for them. It's extremely offensive.
then ask them what they think about oppression, I'm pretty sure they'll be against it.
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MrBrian wrote:then ask them what they think about oppression, I'm pretty sure they'll be against it.
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Last Exodus wrote:Man, you are a sick puppy. Unless you know any holocaust survivors, as I do, don't speak for them. It's extremely offensive.
it's an opinion...come off of your high-horse.I'll dig a tunnel
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Last Exodus wrote:youre a lost cause.
yes yes. You know for a person who goes on so much in other threads about debate and reasoning and whatever else, you seem to practice it so little yourself. quite sad really.
You talk about how everyone else acts whichever way, yet such a large portion of your posts are insult based, infact you seem to not even be very good at that. Now please, I don't want you to leave, stay.
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DinghyDog wrote:Although i think Israel has quite a bad history, I disagree with your statement in that holocaust victims would probably like the idea of a country reserved for them and their offspring.
whether that is right or wrong of them to want, is another discussion.
i just realised that, anywhere outside of israel in the western world is probably a much better place to be for jewish people!
where did this assumption come from?I'll dig a tunnel
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Notice when I made that remark about all of africa being in apartheid (as a goal of israel) I also then added "iron fist" and gave a reason for it. it was about having other leaders support israel and not the arabs.
I also said that the a lack of funds was one of the reasons it fell, think about it, wheres all that gold money now?
I would also have to argue about the "no civil war", well not in the terms as we know it to be. But the crime rate after apartheid fell...rocketed, johannesburg turned into one of the most dangerous places on earth, rape, murder and whatever other crimes. Almost every other south african carried a gun and just about every single family had a friend or family member killed by the intense violence.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0497/9704026.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1704037,00.html
some good articles on said topic (infact the second one is where I lifted the nazi line from regarder vorster as I was typing my post that line about him stuck out in my head so I thought I'd add it to my post) enjoy, they are good articles, notice the date on the first one was '97
I'm not too positive about south africas future, I was sad to hear about americans buying up top property in cape town because of the strong dollar and weak rand, well obvioulsy quite a few other things but we'll see how the rest of this thread goes. Indeed I can talk about this for days.
I also lived in south africa, great country. not happy with it's current direction, lot's and lot's of corruption. as you I'm sure know.
Huge racism still exists, but people like to be blinded by the "rainbow nation" slogan.
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trappedinmyradio wrote:where did this assumption come from?
He probably assumes that because, atleast here in a America, folks aren't running around with bombs strapped to their chests looking for Jews to blow up."Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
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Something about American companies in south africa, one of the bigger names I would say is mc donalds. very well know yeah? when it first opened in south africa, I remember they had a helicpoter deliver the first burger and the line to get into mc donalds was about 6 hrs.
It's that american name, that american feeling that even people so far away wanted, it was pretty funny.0 -
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DinghyDog wrote:
now we're saddled up with fucked up town planning and transport problems, a very weird economy, and social fabric that is so ingrained that i wonder if the poorest of the poor will ever be uplifted.
you know, we sponsor a girl in zambia through world vision. my wife (an asutralian) asked why dont we sponsor one in south africa. the main reason for me was that there is so much wealth that very few south africans need to be poverty stricken. you have this very wealthy upper class (even by 1st world standards) who just do not share that wealth with their fellow south africans. rich south africans should be sponsoring their fellow south africans for an education, etc.
Yeah, the rich are very rich. Infact when I first moved to SA I was shocked to see that a large number of the cars on the roads were luxury/sports. Like you see honda civics in america you see BMWs and Mercs in South Africa.
The government is trying really really hard to clean things up for the World Cup. now the problem with is, it's only surface cleaning! They are just pushing the crime more underground and/or to other areas of the country.
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