David Duke against zionism !!

IndianSummer · December 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2f-WC4cjo

check this interview out !!

MrBrian · December 2006

I think wolf was an editor for the AIPAC news paper? I think thats it.
Just as bad as being involved with the KKK, infact it's worse, AIPAC has much much much much much much much more control and influence over the country and right now is much more dangerous.

auslistener1 · December 2006

MrBrian wrote:

I think wolf was an editor for the AIPAC news paper? I think thats it.
Just as bad as being involved with the KKK, infact it's worse, AIPAC has much much much much much much much more control and influence over the country and right now is much more dangerous.

it saddens me to know that you're serious.

i am involved with aijac in australia which works on a similar basis to aipac in america. for you to say that the work i and people like me do working on israel advocacy and working against anti semetism is worse than the klu klux klan is just insulting.

i've read your comments regarding for years on this board, and i dont think ive ever read anything positive. im not sure i've ever known any situation anywhere in the world to be as one sided as you would readers of your posts to believe.

aipac works for israel and for the jews inside america. they work in a similar fashion to ANY organisation representing ANY religion.

if you mean to say that theyre just good at what they do, then yeah, i'll agree with that. they are one of the most successful lobby organisations this modern world has known. but im pretty sure thats not a reason for hatred against them.

brendan.

enharmonic · December 2006

There are a number of Orthodox Jews that are anti-zionist too. The zionists need to get over it.

ilana · December 2006

enharmonic wrote:

There are a number of Orthodox Jews that are anti-zionist too. The zionists need to get over it.

corection, there is a small minority of so called orthodox jews that are anti israel, the zionist need not bother about them

miller8966 · December 2006

David Duke is a dick....

Im pro zionist all the way.

DPrival78 · December 2006

miller8966 wrote:

David Duke is a dick....

Im pro zionist all the way.

that means you're anti-american, because the interests and influences of zionism are doing nothing good for this country.

i have no love for david duke, but his points need to be considered. all the people he mentioned - wolfowitz, perle (who was caught spying for israel in the 70's), abrams, feith, etc - were all integral in pushing the iraq war, and the bogus justifications for it. these same people did, in fact, write a policy paper for netanyahu in '96 that called for war on iraq, iran, and syria to benefit israel's interests. duke didn't make that up.

fast forward to 2000, and all of these same people put out the famous pnac report, which calls for the same things. then september 11th happens (as they wished for in the pnac paper: "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing even – like a new Pearl Harbor.), and of we go following the neo-con/zionist plan for war on the middle east.

let's also not forget the aipac spy scandal, which receives no media coverage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal), and also the israeli "art student" spy ring, which was actually covered by fox news of all outlets. (i suggest watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew)

lalalalaaaaaaaa · December 2006

I don't think it's news that David Duke is anti-zionist as well as anti-semetic. The Iraq war has nothing to do with furthering Israel's interests, it has to do with furthering American business interests.

DPrival78 · December 2006

Saturnal wrote:

The Iraq war has nothing to do with furthering Israel's interests, it has to do with furthering American business interests.

i respectfully disagree with the first half of that statement. if iraq has nothing to do with israel's interests, why was it's invasion explicitly mentioned in the policy paper written by perle, et al.? it is totally in their interests, as well as thoses of big business - two entities who couldn't seemingly give a rat's ass about people like you and me.

israel has not been shy about asking us to do their dirty work:

Attack Iraq soon, Sharon aide says
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/11577p-10983c.html

Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml

War is not in U.S. interest
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-03-17-oppose_x.htm
"How does this war serve America's vital interests? The president says Iraq "threatens its neighbors," but only one of those neighbors wants war. As Patrick Buchanan succinctly put it: 'For whose benefit are these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.'"

and they're doing the same thing with iran:

Israel Wants West to Deal More Urgently With Iran
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/13/international/middleeast/13israel.html?ex=1166331600&en=532566e20f60a654&ei=5070
(reg. required)
The Israelis are engaged in a careful effort to press the United States and the Europeans to deal more urgently with Iran. Israel has no intention for now of trying to deal with Iran alone or through military means, officials say.

the west? how bout israel sends their kids to die instead of ours?

US not doing enough to stop Iran
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1139395573059

IndianSummer · December 2006

DPrival78 wrote:

that means you're anti-american, because the interests and influences of zionism are doing nothing good for this country.

could you name one thing that makes america rich and/or powerful, in which jews have not contributed a lot more than their fair share.

clues - edward teller, john von newman, milton friedman, bobby fisher, bob dylan, robert j openheimer, hollywood, goldman sachs, levi's, intel, apple, google,
starbucks....

auslistener1 · December 2006

IndianSummer wrote:

could you name one thing that makes america rich and/or powerful, in which jews have not contributed a lot more than their fair share.

clues - edward teller, john von newman, milton friedman, bobby fisher, bob dylan, robert j openheimer, hollywood, goldman sachs, levi's, intel, apple, google,
starbucks....

i think that list kind of shows an over sensitivity to successful jews. perfect example. google. yes, the founders are jewish...but how does this relate to anything?

they were two damn fucken intelligent guys who invented a new search engine which revolutionised search engines...

mmm, sounds like a zionist conspiracy to me...

???

miller8966 · December 2006

auslistener1 wrote:

i think that list kind of shows an over sensitivity to successful jews. perfect example. google. yes, the founders are jewish...but how does this relate to anything?

they were two damn fucken intelligent guys who invented a new search engine which revolutionised search engines...

mmm, sounds like a zionist conspiracy to me...

???

Cause the jews are hard working people who generate money and business which in turn creates jobs.

What has a palestinian done for me lately?

DPrival78 · December 2006

all this talk about successful people who were jewish has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. we're talking about zionism, aipac and israel spying on the u.s., etc

did you watch the fox news report on the spy ring?

if so, what did you think?

would you be ok with it if it was an iraqi spy ring?

dayan · December 2006

MrBrian wrote:

I think wolf was an editor for the AIPAC news paper? I think thats it.
Just as bad as being involved with the KKK, infact it's worse, AIPAC has much much much much much much much more control and influence over the country and right now is much more dangerous.

I think this is one of the stupidist things I've ever seen. AIPAC is worse than the KKK? Seriously? AIPAC isn't racist, they've never lynched anyone, they don't preach hate. All they do is lobby the government in support of a cause they believe in as do thousands of other groups. And what control does AIPAC have over the country? AIPAC can throw around money and influence but they don't make any decisions. And frankly in light of Iran's recent conference, I find your insinuation that AIPAC (aka the Jews) control the country to be in exceptionally poor taste.

MrBrian · December 2006

dayan wrote:

I think this is one of the stupidist things I've ever seen. AIPAC is worse than the KKK? Seriously? AIPAC isn't racist, they've never lynched anyone, they don't preach hate. All they do is lobby the government in support of a cause they believe in as do thousands of other groups. And what control does AIPAC have over the country? AIPAC can throw around money and influence but they don't make any decisions. And frankly in light of Iran's recent conference, I find your insinuation that AIPAC (aka the Jews) control the country to be in exceptionally poor taste.

You can "think" that, but you'd be wrong.

dayan · December 2006

Dprivel78, you mistake Israel benefiting from American action with Israel being the cause for that action. Certainly Israel was happy to see Saddam gone. Why wouldn't they be? After all he funded terrorism against them, bombed their country during the first gulf war totally unprovoked, and was constantly threatening to destroy their country. That doesn't mean that Israel made America go to war with Iraq. In fact leading up to the war many Israelis felt that America was making a mistake in focusing on Iraq instead of Iran, which was felt to be and is a much more dire threat to the region. If Israel is in control why did America invade Iraq and not Iran?

dayan · December 2006

MrBrian wrote:

You can "think" that, but you'd be wrong.

OK, sorry, you got me there. Yes you did, gosh golly. How can I argue with that? Oh wait, I know how. No I'm not.

DPrival78 · December 2006

dayan wrote:

Dprivel78, you mistake Israel benefiting from American action with Israel being the cause for that action. Certainly Israel was happy to see Saddam gone. Why wouldn't they be? After all he funded terrorism against them, bombed their country during the first gulf war totally unprovoked, and was constantly threatening to destroy their country. That doesn't mean that Israel made America go to war with Iraq. In fact leading up to the war many Israelis felt that America was making a mistake in focusing on Iraq instead of Iran, which was felt to be and is a much more dire threat to the region. If Israel is in control why did America invade Iraq and not Iran?

israel was pushing for attacks on iraq and iran (and syria). the articles i posted above clearly show israel's desire for the the U.S. to attack iraq. why can't israel fight their own battles, and send their own kids to die?

and if you hadn't noticed, we are on the brink of attacking iran, thanks to a rehash of the same baseless propaganda that was used to sell the iraq war. the shocking and scary thing is, people are falling for it again..

dayan · December 2006

DPrival78 wrote:

israel was pushing for attacks on iraq and iran (and syria). the articles i posted above clearly show israel's desire for the the U.S. to attack iraq. why can't israel fight their own battles, and send their own kids to die?

and if you hadn't noticed, we are on the brink of attacking iran, thanks to a rehash of the same baseless propaganda that was used to sell the iraq war. the shocking and scary thing is, people are falling for it again..

baseless propaganda? So you deny that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, that their leader has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe out another country, that he has shown himself to be a bigot and a crackpot, and that his country is allready backing terrorists responsible for attacking not only Israel but America as well? And if your answer is yes then you're either crazy or blind or both.

DPrival78 · December 2006

dayan wrote:

baseless propaganda? So you deny that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, that their leader has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe out another country, that he has shown himself to be a bigot and a crackpot, and that his country is allready backing terrorists responsible for attacking not only Israel but America as well? And if your answer is yes then you're either crazy or blind or both.

where is the proof of iran's nuclear weapons program? and is it an imminent threat to anyone? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html)

we were told the same bullshit about iraq, and they had nothing and were a threat to no one.

and if iran is building nuclear weapons, can you blame them? they're being threatened with war by A. the only country to ever use nuclear weapons (us) and B. the only country in the middle east that has nuclear weapons - despite their attempts to hide the fact (israel).

where is the evidence that iran is actually building bombs, or that they are close to doing so? iran is a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty.. is israel?

and this whole "wipe israel off the map" thing is being blown out of proportion. people who actually speak the language assert that ahmedawhateverjad did not say those words, and that he was quoting an old ayatollah khomeni speech. the quote was, ""the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." to me that sounds like he's saying the israeli occupation of palestine should end. he's not threatening to "wipe israel of the map", but that's much more effective to sway people's opinion. (kind of how the threat that "iraq was 45 minutes away from having mushroom clouds pop up over american cities" was used) but giving the actual translation, in context, wouldn't jive too well with the spin/propaganda machine.

IndianSummer · December 2006

dayan wrote:

baseless propaganda? So you deny that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, that their leader has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe out another country, that he has shown himself to be a bigot and a crackpot, and that his country is allready backing terrorists responsible for attacking not only Israel but America as well? And if your answer is yes then you're either crazy or blind or both.

what the americans are trying to say is that, if iran wants to wipe out israel, its for the peopel of ISRAEL and at most, the UNITED NATIONS peace keeping force, to try and neuter the challenge, not for americans.

can you give them (americans) one good reason, why americans have to fight israel's enemies???

would israel ever contemplate sending a few IDF soldiers in afghanistan??

David Duke against zionism !!

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