David Duke against zionism !!
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Just as bad as being involved with the KKK, infact it's worse, AIPAC has much much much much much much much more control and influence over the country and right now is much more dangerous.
it saddens me to know that you're serious.
i am involved with aijac in australia which works on a similar basis to aipac in america. for you to say that the work i and people like me do working on israel advocacy and working against anti semetism is worse than the klu klux klan is just insulting.
i've read your comments regarding for years on this board, and i dont think ive ever read anything positive. im not sure i've ever known any situation anywhere in the world to be as one sided as you would readers of your posts to believe.
aipac works for israel and for the jews inside america. they work in a similar fashion to ANY organisation representing ANY religion.
if you mean to say that theyre just good at what they do, then yeah, i'll agree with that. they are one of the most successful lobby organisations this modern world has known. but im pretty sure thats not a reason for hatred against them.
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Im pro zionist all the way.
that means you're anti-american, because the interests and influences of zionism are doing nothing good for this country.
i have no love for david duke, but his points need to be considered. all the people he mentioned - wolfowitz, perle (who was caught spying for israel in the 70's), abrams, feith, etc - were all integral in pushing the iraq war, and the bogus justifications for it. these same people did, in fact, write a policy paper for netanyahu in '96 that called for war on iraq, iran, and syria to benefit israel's interests. duke didn't make that up.
fast forward to 2000, and all of these same people put out the famous pnac report, which calls for the same things. then september 11th happens (as they wished for in the pnac paper: "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing even – like a new Pearl Harbor.), and of we go following the neo-con/zionist plan for war on the middle east.
let's also not forget the aipac spy scandal, which receives no media coverage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal), and also the israeli "art student" spy ring, which was actually covered by fox news of all outlets. (i suggest watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew)
i respectfully disagree with the first half of that statement. if iraq has nothing to do with israel's interests, why was it's invasion explicitly mentioned in the policy paper written by perle, et al.? it is totally in their interests, as well as thoses of big business - two entities who couldn't seemingly give a rat's ass about people like you and me.
israel has not been shy about asking us to do their dirty work:
Attack Iraq soon, Sharon aide says
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/11577p-10983c.html
Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml
War is not in U.S. interest
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-03-17-oppose_x.htm
"How does this war serve America's vital interests? The president says Iraq "threatens its neighbors," but only one of those neighbors wants war. As Patrick Buchanan succinctly put it: 'For whose benefit are these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.'"
and they're doing the same thing with iran:
Israel Wants West to Deal More Urgently With Iran
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/13/international/middleeast/13israel.html?ex=1166331600&en=532566e20f60a654&ei=5070
(reg. required)
The Israelis are engaged in a careful effort to press the United States and the Europeans to deal more urgently with Iran. Israel has no intention for now of trying to deal with Iran alone or through military means, officials say.
the west? how bout israel sends their kids to die instead of ours?
US not doing enough to stop Iran
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1139395573059
could you name one thing that makes america rich and/or powerful, in which jews have not contributed a lot more than their fair share.
clues - edward teller, john von newman, milton friedman, bobby fisher, bob dylan, robert j openheimer, hollywood, goldman sachs, levi's, intel, apple, google,
starbucks....
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i think that list kind of shows an over sensitivity to successful jews. perfect example. google. yes, the founders are jewish...but how does this relate to anything?
they were two damn fucken intelligent guys who invented a new search engine which revolutionised search engines...
mmm, sounds like a zionist conspiracy to me...
???
Cause the jews are hard working people who generate money and business which in turn creates jobs.
What has a palestinian done for me lately?
did you watch the fox news report on the spy ring?
if so, what did you think?
would you be ok with it if it was an iraqi spy ring?
I think this is one of the stupidist things I've ever seen. AIPAC is worse than the KKK? Seriously? AIPAC isn't racist, they've never lynched anyone, they don't preach hate. All they do is lobby the government in support of a cause they believe in as do thousands of other groups. And what control does AIPAC have over the country? AIPAC can throw around money and influence but they don't make any decisions. And frankly in light of Iran's recent conference, I find your insinuation that AIPAC (aka the Jews) control the country to be in exceptionally poor taste.
You can "think" that, but you'd be wrong.
OK, sorry, you got me there. Yes you did, gosh golly. How can I argue with that? Oh wait, I know how. No I'm not.
israel was pushing for attacks on iraq and iran (and syria). the articles i posted above clearly show israel's desire for the the U.S. to attack iraq. why can't israel fight their own battles, and send their own kids to die?
and if you hadn't noticed, we are on the brink of attacking iran, thanks to a rehash of the same baseless propaganda that was used to sell the iraq war. the shocking and scary thing is, people are falling for it again..
baseless propaganda? So you deny that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, that their leader has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe out another country, that he has shown himself to be a bigot and a crackpot, and that his country is allready backing terrorists responsible for attacking not only Israel but America as well? And if your answer is yes then you're either crazy or blind or both.
where is the proof of iran's nuclear weapons program? and is it an imminent threat to anyone? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html)
we were told the same bullshit about iraq, and they had nothing and were a threat to no one.
and if iran is building nuclear weapons, can you blame them? they're being threatened with war by A. the only country to ever use nuclear weapons (us) and B. the only country in the middle east that has nuclear weapons - despite their attempts to hide the fact (israel).
where is the evidence that iran is actually building bombs, or that they are close to doing so? iran is a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty.. is israel?
and this whole "wipe israel off the map" thing is being blown out of proportion. people who actually speak the language assert that ahmedawhateverjad did not say those words, and that he was quoting an old ayatollah khomeni speech. the quote was, ""the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." to me that sounds like he's saying the israeli occupation of palestine should end. he's not threatening to "wipe israel of the map", but that's much more effective to sway people's opinion. (kind of how the threat that "iraq was 45 minutes away from having mushroom clouds pop up over american cities" was used) but giving the actual translation, in context, wouldn't jive too well with the spin/propaganda machine.
can you give them (americans) one good reason, why americans have to fight israel's enemies???
would israel ever contemplate sending a few IDF soldiers in afghanistan??
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I don't think that America should fight Israel's battles. I think America should fight Iran because Iran is a threat to American interests.
You can choose not to see what is plainly clear to everyone else, and I have no illusions about trying to change the mind of someone to rapt up in his own fantasies to see that when a raving anti-semite talks about wiping the Jewish state off the map and is trying to build nuclear weapons we might have reason to worry. Every intelligence service in the world says Iran is building nukes. Even Iran says they are building nuclear facilities for "peaceful" purposes, so the only question is whether they are gonna build bombs, which seems pretty much certain since their "peaceful" facilities are military complexes built underground. And no one was talking about attacking Iran (not the US and not Israel) until Iran starting building their own nukes, sponsoring terrorists all over the world, talking genocidally, and generally started being the most terrifying country on earth.
Now the anti-semites liberal psychos are quoting David Duke. In not too long, you'll be referencing Hitler. He also thought there was a "Jewish problem."
exactly. it's these kinds of lies in the media that really piss me off. and the issue here isn't david duke. he's a convienent scapegoat, as is anyone who was in the KKK, even if they later repudiated it. and I don't know the totality of David Duke's current opinions on politics, race, etc... but there's nothing he said in this interview I find objectionable. American and Israeli policy is to blame for the murder and conquest of Arabs... and let's face facts: these governments are elected by the people. the majority of the citizens of America and Israel are themselves to blame. to say this isn't anti-American, anti-Semetic, anti-Jew, or whatever... but heaven forbid you ever nod at anything David Duke says... you must be a rabid Jew-hater or a Klansman... so I don't know why I even bother speaking my mind.
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org
http://www.nkusa.org
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com
http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zizad/zizad.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
http://www.christianzionism.org
In this day and age no one can criticize any of Israel's actions because that automatically makes you an anti-semite.
The fact that he was speaking from a Holocaust denial conference might give you some key into his beliefs. But, you apparently are so blinded by your hate that you will piggyback on racists like David Duke.
Oh wait, it was an academic conference on free speech. Because Iran is a haven for such freedoms: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4123788.stm
Hundreds of thousands are being killed in Sudan. But, the world will do nothing, because it would distract them from condemning the JEWS. Face it, the UN is controlled by Arab countries and those in the third world dependent on them. So, we will see hundreds of anti-Israel resolutions with nothing ever getting done. Kofi Annan himself recognized this in his farewell speech.
I'm not defending Iran's legal system or holocaust denial.
Talk prepared by Rabbi Yisroel Feldman of Neturei Karta International to be delivered at the International Conference to review the Holocaust, December 11-12, in Tehran, Iran
With praise to the Almighty may my words find favor in His eyes.
I want to begin with gratitude and great respect to the Iranian government in general and to the Honorable Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei and to His Excellency, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Much has and will be said at this conference concerning the debate of European Jewry during the Second World War. I am neither a scientist nor a professional historian and am not capable of responding to many of the questions discussed here.
What I propose to do though, is to speak about the morality of what happened to European Jewry and the morality of using their fate as an explanation for other political and cultural activities.
No matter how we may debate some of the details of what was done to the Jews of Europe there is no doubt that they were treated brutally and that this brutality included all men, women and children. The Jews were physically attacked and murdered. Their possessions and homes were taken. They were shipped across Europe like animals jammed into cattle cars with little or no food and water. Millions died. And many of these were defenseless women and children. These are facts. The worldwide Jewish community is by and large descendents of those who survived this horrible hell.
It would probably lend much credibility to those who wish to study the destruction of European Jewry if they would clearly condemn these actions committed during the holocaust. There is no moral justification for what was done.
However, there is also no moral justification for using these events to dispossess and occupy another people who have nothing whatsoever to do with what was done in Europe. Let Europe make amends for what took place if they so desire, not the Palestinians.
Plus, it is our belief that it is not the appropriate role for Jews when they live in exile amongst the nations to adopt any position of antagonism towards any other peoples or nations. We believe that Jews are called upon to lead by example by serving as a positive role model for all of mankind, not as dictators of public policy.
Zionism violated many tenets of the Jewish faith. It sought to deny the metaphysical reality of Jewish exile and the Divine command that we live at peace with other peoples. Its cruelty towards the Palestinian was and is notorious.
The founder of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, wrote in his diary that he felt the existence of anti-Semitism was a healthy thing because this would make Jews mistrust the other nations of the world and come running to the state he wanted to create for them. He saw fit to even cultivate this anti-Semitism and some of the Zionist leaders refused to participate in attempts to rescue European Jews from the horrors of the inferno of Europe because it suited their own purposes to do so.
The advent of Zionist ideology, even before the creation of the state, met with tremendous opposition from great Jewish leaders who saw in Zionism two major problems: One, that the Jewish people had been commanded not to try and leave exile by force, but rather to live peacefully as subservient loyal citizens wherever they would reside. And secondly, that we had similarly been forbidden from assuming ownership of the land. That these things have come to pass and that they have been achieved through the wide scale oppression of another nation is absolutely in dissonance with Jewish faith and law. The great Rabbis who witnessed the birth of Zionism predicted that this movement would bring terrible catastrophes upon the Holy Land and upon the world, and many refer to this development as the foremost reason for the holocaust itself. The Rabbis saw Zionism as a horribly rebellious phenomenon and felt that by embracing Zionism the Jewish people was invoking the Divine wrath, and in fact, in our time, it is clear that Zionism has created untold tragedy. Throughout the centuries Jew and Muslim lived side by side amicably, but those times predated the Zionist era. The situation is such that we need a miraculous salvation from what Zionism has wrought.
What is most important, though, is that when approaching the all-important topics of Zionism and the holocaust that we keep our balance and moral clarity. What was done to the Jews and to other European peoples, such as the Poles and Gypsies, was a great evil. If its parameters need to be explored, let them be freely explored, but all the while realizing that we are exploring the reality of an evil deed. This is the delicate clarity that is so needed when approaching this sensitive issue.
Similarly, when studying Zionism we need to always distinguish between Zionism and Judaism. Between those caught in its grasps and those actively committing acts of Zionist aggression; Between Torah True Jews and those who have strayed from our faith and traditions;
These are the distinctions that need go forth from this conference. They will lend its deliberations credibility and add to the ultimate goal of peace between peoples, the eradication of all cruelty, and the overall moral and Divine agenda of all mankind.
May G-d be with you.