Remarks by Rabbi Aharon Cohen at the same International Conference “Review of the Holocaust”, Tehran 11-12 December ’06
I must add that the use by the Zionists of the Holocaust to further their aim of a sectarian State is the height of hypocrisy when one bears in mind that the Zionists turned each stage of Nazi oppression to their own advantage, to further the aim of forming a State. In the thirties when the Nazi policy was to expel the Jews from Germany, it is well documented how the Zionists cooperated by working together – yes together - with the Nazi authorities to evacuate ‘suitable’ Jews i.e. young healthy pioneer material, from Germany to Palestine. Then during the war when the killing was proceeding, it is again well documented how their attitude was one of callousness, not helping when they could even though they were able to. They needed the suffering and the deaths in order to be able to push for their State when the war would end. Finally, after the war they turned the whole issue of the Holocaust and the pity and sympathy it evoked into almost an article of faith in order to ensure as much as possible the acquisition of their State. Claiming that Zionism was there in order to prevent another Holocaust, when in fact Zionism predated the Holocaust by decades. They then proceeded to justify their atrocities against the Palestinians in order to further their cause.
To sum up, the Orthodox Jewish view is that yes there was a Holocaust to a terribly significant degree whatever that was. But in no way can it be used to justify the illegitimate and criminal cause and actions of Zionism.
see I don't think anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy or is critical of Israel is an anti-semite, only the people who do so while making excuses for Holocaust deniers, and asserting that America is run by the mossad, and that the Jews control the media. If you do/believe these things then yes, I think you're an anti-semite, and frankly I pity you.
see I don't think anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy or is critical of Israel is an anti-semite, only the people who do so while making excuses for Holocaust deniers, and asserting that America is run by the mossad, and that the Jews control the media. If you do/believe these things then yes, I think you're an anti-semite, and frankly I pity you.
I disagree with a lot of Israel's policies, I disagree with Holocaust deniers but defend the right for them to say it, the media as well as America is run by corporations. You masy not be one of the people who will labels anyone who criticizes Israel as an anti-semite but there are a lot of people out there that do. Just as any criticism of the US is seen as being un-patriotic. As far as Zionism is concerned, I do support Israel's right to exist what I do not support is the US's unconditional support of Israel.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Hundreds of thousands are being killed in Sudan. But, the world will do nothing, because it would distract them from condemning the JEWS. Face it, the UN is controlled by Arab countries and those in the third world dependent on them. So, we will see hundreds of anti-Israel resolutions with nothing ever getting done. Kofi Annan himself recognized this in his farewell speech.
That is so far fetched I can even put my head around it. Yes hundreds of thousands are dying in the Darfur region of Sudan and Islamic militants are seizing control of Somalia with the violence possibly spilling into Ethiopia. The reason no one does nothing about it is the same reason why no one did anything about Rwanda, because the powers that be don't give a shit about some dirt poor country in Africa. I think Nick Nolte's character in Hotel Rwanda said it best when he said that the world things that the Rwandans are lower than (insert n word), they where Africans. It has nothinbg to do with this anti-Israel sentiment or this fictional Arab control of the UN. If anything Israel has carte-blanche to do what ever the hell it wants without international reprocussions because it always has big brother US watching it's back. So please don't turn horrific tragedies like the genocide in Darfur into some anti-arab pro-Israel diatribe when the reality is that no one gives a fuck about some dying African so that's why nothing is done.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't believe that the Rabbi's words have any foundation to build political arguments from. Just as I would not say that the Jews deserve Israel because of some biblical prophecy, I would not say that they don't deserve Israel because of some biblical prophecy. His arguments stem from religious thought, not political.
The Jews deserve Israel because they own it now and they're more powerful than the Palestinians. Borders are made by power and muscle, not by treaties. The U.S. owns its land, not because we deserve it but because we took it. To the victor goes the spoils, my friends, and the Jews got the Holy Land. Now, we must decide when we're going to let them defend their interests and when we're going to defend OUR interests. Trust me, those interests are not one in the same.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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I must add that the use by the Zionists of the Holocaust to further their aim of a sectarian State is the height of hypocrisy when one bears in mind that the Zionists turned each stage of Nazi oppression to their own advantage, to further the aim of forming a State. In the thirties when the Nazi policy was to expel the Jews from Germany, it is well documented how the Zionists cooperated by working together – yes together - with the Nazi authorities to evacuate ‘suitable’ Jews i.e. young healthy pioneer material, from Germany to Palestine. Then during the war when the killing was proceeding, it is again well documented how their attitude was one of callousness, not helping when they could even though they were able to. They needed the suffering and the deaths in order to be able to push for their State when the war would end. Finally, after the war they turned the whole issue of the Holocaust and the pity and sympathy it evoked into almost an article of faith in order to ensure as much as possible the acquisition of their State. Claiming that Zionism was there in order to prevent another Holocaust, when in fact Zionism predated the Holocaust by decades. They then proceeded to justify their atrocities against the Palestinians in order to further their cause.
To sum up, the Orthodox Jewish view is that yes there was a Holocaust to a terribly significant degree whatever that was. But in no way can it be used to justify the illegitimate and criminal cause and actions of Zionism.
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I disagree with a lot of Israel's policies, I disagree with Holocaust deniers but defend the right for them to say it, the media as well as America is run by corporations. You masy not be one of the people who will labels anyone who criticizes Israel as an anti-semite but there are a lot of people out there that do. Just as any criticism of the US is seen as being un-patriotic. As far as Zionism is concerned, I do support Israel's right to exist what I do not support is the US's unconditional support of Israel.
That is so far fetched I can even put my head around it. Yes hundreds of thousands are dying in the Darfur region of Sudan and Islamic militants are seizing control of Somalia with the violence possibly spilling into Ethiopia. The reason no one does nothing about it is the same reason why no one did anything about Rwanda, because the powers that be don't give a shit about some dirt poor country in Africa. I think Nick Nolte's character in Hotel Rwanda said it best when he said that the world things that the Rwandans are lower than (insert n word), they where Africans. It has nothinbg to do with this anti-Israel sentiment or this fictional Arab control of the UN. If anything Israel has carte-blanche to do what ever the hell it wants without international reprocussions because it always has big brother US watching it's back. So please don't turn horrific tragedies like the genocide in Darfur into some anti-arab pro-Israel diatribe when the reality is that no one gives a fuck about some dying African so that's why nothing is done.
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do you think its likely??
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The Jews deserve Israel because they own it now and they're more powerful than the Palestinians. Borders are made by power and muscle, not by treaties. The U.S. owns its land, not because we deserve it but because we took it. To the victor goes the spoils, my friends, and the Jews got the Holy Land. Now, we must decide when we're going to let them defend their interests and when we're going to defend OUR interests. Trust me, those interests are not one in the same.
-Enoch Powell