No patriotism

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    hmm, thats not really true. it may be more true for some countries, such as in africa or the middle east, but i would hardly say countries are just imaginary lines. countries have an immense wealth of history, culture, and tradition that shapes who we are as individuals. i think its extremely naive to think a country is just an invisible border. its much much more than that. you are who you are because of the societal, familial, cultural, and religious aspects of this country. if you were born in another country, you would be totally different. you wouldn't be the "same person just inside a different imaginary border." that doesn't mean one country or culture is better than another, but i don't think its something that should be ignored.

    I would agree more strongly with this if you said "region" instead of country.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    She's talking about the overwhelming amount of us that share this mentality:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSWuA-RttGU


    jeez booky, disclaimers please....i don't want that to infect my computer....(or my mind for that matter)....:p:D


    as to the topic at hand, cosmo said it better than i ever could.....:)
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    She's talking about the overwhelming amount of us that share this mentality:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSWuA-RttGU

    The mentality of a registered democrat who is against the Iraq war?
    My whole life
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    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    sure, region, state, country, nation, nation-state, whatever.

    Staying power is the key. Established indigenuity. Of the land, and a culture. A way of life for a people.

    America is freakish in this respect. Sentimentality in the "Good 'ol American way of life" is one of those sickish psychological controls that is meant to determine sameness, without experience. So, it is no wonder "our boys" are fighters. That is the short-term American expectation, volitality.

    America isn't shit in this regard. Probably less than shit.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    blackredyellow wrote:
    The mentality of a registered democrat who is against the Iraq war?

    us = Americans, most Americans.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Spasms of joy? I've never myself, nor have I ever known anyone, who went into spasms of joy over bombs dropping down


    Weird quote.

    I don't believe you. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I'd bet everything I own on my conviction that you, and/or the company you keep celebrated the opening bombing campaigns of both Iraq wars.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I don't believe you. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I'd bet everything I own on my conviction that you, and/or the company you keep celebrated the opening bombing campaigns of both Iraq wars.

    Imagine if you will, a man who doesnt give two shits what you believe. Imagine a man, who isnt suprised that you make judgements on people with no fact or basis to make said judgements. You open minded liberals on this board never cease to amaze me.


    Id take your bet, but I doubt you own anything I'd want.

    I keep a wide variety of company. Business owners, bartenders, waitresses, artists, etc. None of the "company I keep", from the most liberal libbies I'm friends with, to the most staunch conservatives "celebrated" it in any way. MOST of the company I keep have had family members who were in the military at some time. And MOST of them understand the idea of war as an evil necessity, rather than that of a thing of personal joy. And MOST of them also, currently, aren't too happy with the way the war has been handled.

    You really are a sad, pathetic little man byrnz. I ALMOST feel sorry for you.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    There are things I love about America .... the Bill of Rights, Pearl Jam, the Grand Canyon, I could go on and on for hours I'm sure. There are things I really hate about America too. I'm sure I would feel the same way if I were German or Australian or Japanese. Sure, I'm profoundly grateful that I'm not Sudanese or Iraqi or Congolese ... and again, I'm sure the citizens of many other countries feel the same way.

    One thing I intensely dislike is all the "greatest country in the world" stuff. Sure, we're really great in many ways. We're not so great in others.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Imagine if you will, a man who doesnt give two shits what you believe. Imagine a man, who isnt suprised that you make judgements on people with no fact or basis to make said judgements. You open minded liberals on this board never cease to amaze me.


    Id take your bet, but I doubt you own anything I'd want.

    I keep a wide variety of company. Business owners, bartenders, waitresses, artists, etc. None of the "company I keep", from the most liberal libbies I'm friends with, to the most staunch conservatives "celebrated" it in any way. MOST of the company I keep have had family members who were in the military at some time. And MOST of them understand the idea of war as an evil necessity, rather than that of a thing of personal joy. And MOST of them also, currently, aren't too happy with the way the war has been handled.

    You really are a sad, pathetic little man byrnz. I ALMOST feel sorry for you.

    How easy it is to be a tough guy on a message board. I really hope I meet you in person some time.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How easy it is to be a tough guy on a message board. I really hope I meet you in person some time.

    Because he says he isn't what you picture him as, you call him names and throw in a thinly veiled threat?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    There are things I love about America .... the Bill of Rights, Pearl Jam, the Grand Canyon, I could go on and on for hours I'm sure. There are things I really hate about America too. I'm sure I would feel the same way if I were German or Australian or Japanese. Sure, I'm profoundly grateful that I'm not Sudanese or Iraqi or Congolese ... and again, I'm sure the citizens of many other countries feel the same way.

    One thing I intensely dislike is all the "greatest country in the world" stuff. Sure, we're really great in many ways. We're not so great in others.

    Home is home.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Because he says he isn't what you picture him as, you call him names and throw in a thinly veiled threat?

    Did you even read his fucking post??
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Imagine if you will, a man who doesnt give two shits what you believe. Imagine a man, who isnt suprised that you make judgements on people with no fact or basis to make said judgements. You open minded liberals on this board never cease to amaze me.


    Id take your bet, but I doubt you own anything I'd want.


    You really are a sad, pathetic little man byrnz. I ALMOST feel sorry for you.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How easy it is to be a tough guy on a message board. I really hope I meet you in person some time.


    We could have tea.


    And I didnt realize I was being a tough guy. Just defending myself when being called a liar.
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Because he says he isn't what you picture him as, you call him names and throw in a thinly veiled threat?


    Thats about the gist of it.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Did you even read his fucking post??


    Did you?
    Why go home

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Because he says he isn't what you picture him as, you call him names and throw in a thinly veiled threat?

    There's a real tendency on this board sometimes for people to behave like vultures. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever one of these neo-cons thinks they have me on the back foot a bunch of lurkers suddenly appear out of the woodwork to start pecking at the prey.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    There's a real tendency on this board sometimes for people to behave like vultures. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever one of these neo-cons thinks they have me on the back foot a bunch of lurkers suddenly appear out of the woodwork to start pecking at the prey.
    \

    There's vultures here from both sides.

    "one of these 'neo-cons' ". Boy you sure do like labeling people.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Imagine a man, who isnt suprised that you make judgements on people with no fact or basis to make said judgements.

    The fact, or basis, that supports my earlier post, and which everyone on this message board is perfectly aware of, is all of your previous posts. They exist here for everyone to see.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The fact, or basis, that supports my earlier post, and which everyone on this message board is perfectly aware of, is all of your previous posts. They exist here for everyone to see.

    Show me a post that "proves" I'd celebrate any war. Please.

    The only thing any of my posts prove is how easy it is to rattle and extract the hypocrisy of you "open minded", kind hearted, peace loving posters here.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Show me a post that "proves" I'd celebrate any war. Please.

    The only thing any of my posts prove is how easy it is to rattle and extract the hypocrisy of you "open minded", kind hearted, peace loving posters here.

    I didn't say I could prove you celebrated the beginning of the Gulf war. I simply said I didn't believe you.

    And whilst we're on the subject of your profound ability to expose hypocrisy...please jog my memory by providing just one instance when you have managed to expose me, for example, as a hypocrite. It shouldn't be too difficult for you. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Byrnzie wrote:
    There's a real tendency on this board sometimes for people to behave like vultures. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever one of these neo-cons thinks they have me on the back foot a bunch of lurkers suddenly appear out of the woodwork to start pecking at the prey.

    Like to label much?

    I'm about as far from a neocon as they come, look at my past posts before you jump to conclusions... I just saw someone overreacting and I made a comment about it.

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    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln

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