No patriotism

Vedderlution_Baby
Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
I was reading the "Thanks a lot W." thread and reading how a lot of people were getting pretty upset over the flag. I was thinking "Big deal. It's a flag." I've mentioned this before but I don't have a sense of patriotism at all. I'm american only because i happened to be born here. Just the same way i could've been canadian or korean. Then I'd just be looking at another flag on a daily basis. Anyone else have this same feeling?


By the way, it's not just a sense of patriotism. I live in gainesville, fl. These people bleed orange and blue (the colors of the college team). I just don't give a shit. It's just another city, in another state, in another country, on another piece of land on earth.
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  • wavesonwheels
    wavesonwheels Posts: 101
    Do you hate mexicans more than you love america?

    legitimate question

    and a tough one
    no time this time to feign reluctance
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    wavesonwheels wrote:
    Do you hate mexicans more than you love america?

    legitimate question

    and a tough one


    I don't hate mexicans, and I don't love america. They are people given a title because they were born in a different place. This is a country divided by imaginary lines.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I consider myself 'Patriotic'.
    I used to get all worked up about the flag and stuff... but, not any more. Why? Because I believe more in the principles behind the foundation of our country, than I do in its symbols. First Amendment rights allow for the non-violent protest of our government... turning the flag upside down may mean something other than that... but, why should I care? it's THEIR (the protestors) interpretation of the act... not mine.
    Personally... I would never raise my flag upside down. It's a matter of respect to me. I don't care if someone else does not have the same respect as I do. I only see the world and my countryt through my eyes.
    Besides, I don't need to show my patriotism to anyone... I wear my flag on my heart, not on my lapel or car aerial.
    My patriotism tells I need to oppose the enemies of my Constitution... foriegn or domestic. And that it is my duty as an American to oppose my leadership when they lead us astray.
    Just because i don't 'Rah! Rah!' the government in time of war... don't tell me I'm 'Unpatriotic'. A war by choice, not necessity, is not what America is supposed to stand for. That's what the former Soviet Union used to do... and I hated the Soviet Union.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I don't hate mexicans, and I don't love america.
    why dont u love america?
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why dont u love america?


    It's not that i hate america, or purposely don't love it. I just feel neutral towards it. Although I have to admit that Cosmo's post got me thinking. I'd rather be in america than some other countries where i wouldnt be able to say this. So maybe I am a BIT patriotic.
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I don't hate mexicans, and I don't love america.


    i agree. i mean, i love america but not in the typical patriotic sense. there are a lot of amazing and wonderful places, things, people, etc here in america. but i don't care about you more than i care about some kid in uganda or england or anywhere else, simply b/c you are american.

    countries are just a bunch of imaginary lines drawn and often times do more harm than good. some people hate us simply because we were born within the imaginary lines of the US. and in other places, like africa, these imaginary lines were drawn by colonialism. they forced different ethnic tribes with different languages and cultures to unite as one country even though they did not want to. and that has caused a lot of problems. okay, now i'm just rambling. i'll stop:)
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one
    Feels Good Inc.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    It's not that i hate america, or purposely don't love it. I just feel neutral towards it. Although I have to admit that Cosmo's post got me thinking. I'd rather be in america than some other countries where i wouldnt be able to say this. So maybe I am a BIT patriotic.


    No, just an ingrate.
    Why go home

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    PaperPlates wrote:
    No, just an ingrate.


    Yup. good call. you got me.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    “Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.”

    "We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that she will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations."


    ~ Emma Goldman
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    “Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.”

    "We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that she will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations."


    ~ Emma Goldman

    Spasms of joy? I've never myself, nor have I ever known anyone, who went into spasms of joy over bombs dropping down


    Weird quote.
    Why go home

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Spasms of joy? I've never myself, nor have I ever known anyone, who went into spasms of joy over bombs dropping down


    Weird quote.

    That quote was dead on.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • electronblue
    electronblue Posts: 3,503
    in one way a least for me.. the flag represents bloodshed and violence.... and in another way it's just another piece of material...~
    ********************************
    "Forgive every being,
    the bad feelings 
    it's just me"


  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    That quote was dead on.


    When she says "we", does she include herself in that group of people having near orgasms over the joy and magical wonder that is war?
    Why go home

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    When she says "we", does she include herself in that group of people having near orgasms over the joy and magical wonder that is war?


    She's talking about the overwhelming amount of us that share this mentality:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSWuA-RttGU
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I was reading the "Thanks a lot W." thread and reading how a lot of people were getting pretty upset over the flag. I was thinking "Big deal. It's a flag." I've mentioned this before but I don't have a sense of patriotism at all. I'm american only because i happened to be born here. Just the same way i could've been canadian or korean. Then I'd just be looking at another flag on a daily basis. Anyone else have this same feeling?


    By the way, it's not just a sense of patriotism. I live in gainesville, fl. These people bleed orange and blue (the colors of the college team). I just don't give a shit. It's just another city, in another state, in another country, on another piece of land on earth.

    I think it's necessary, inevitable, human, to be philosophical on some items concerning your country at the level you remark.

    It's probably not too politically savvy to tell your countrymen so, today. I'm idealistic enough to think this sort of talk can be accepted into the not-too-special category, one day.

    "Uh, obrianjacksonjeffrawong...he gets philosphy, cool."
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    She's talking about the overwhelming amount of us that share this mentality:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSWuA-RttGU

    Wish you hadn't done that...
    wish I hadn't had those 3 beers...
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    Wish you hadn't done that...
    wish I hadn't had those 3 beers...


    Sorry 'bout that, gue. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Sorry 'bout that, gue. :)

    sppt, spth, sphityy poo spoth...bwaww

    haven't done that in awhile. It must be the heat.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    sppt, spth, sphityy poo spoth...bwaww

    haven't done that in awhile. It must be the heat.

    hehe :p

    that must have been it
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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