snowmen symbolic of xmas?

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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    libragirl wrote:
    Yeah it makes no sense...People are convinced snowmen symbolic of xmas. Oh forget the mistletoe....That's also a no...no...

    have a picture of a summer beach scene...although, in the southern hemisphere december 25th is in the summer, so that is prob an endorsement of christmas as well... sounds like it's gonna be a great party, if you can just advertise it.
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  • JaneNY
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    All snowmen say to me is cute and winter. One of the few winter symbols I like. I have a snowman on my desk right now.
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  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    Well it's that time again...We have a new person at my work who's in charge of designing the "holiday" party invites. She was told to take the holly and get rid of the green in it....I told her welcome to insert name of company :p
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Tell them that having a "holiday party" in itself is symbolic to christmas (why else would they have it in December?), and if they were truly interested in being politically correct, they should have it in like the summer or sometime that is the furthest away from all religious holidays.
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  • surferdude
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    I like our owners. They call it a Chirtmas party and they send out Christmas cards. The Christmas party is on personal time and is a gift from the owners to the employess (and not an entitilement of employees). If the idea of a Chirstmas party offends you then you are welcome to not attend and no one will think less of you. One year one of the owners got a little fed up and said along the lines of "if you don't like the idea of a Christmas party then you also don't like the idea of your annual bonus which is based on my beliefs".
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    I'll stick with my earlier statement:

    "In fact I go so far as to say there's no direct connection. Santa never had a snowman on his staff."

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  • 810wmb
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    there are people that are looking to be offended......fuck 'em!

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  • inmytree
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    libragirl wrote:
    I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

    I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.


    I think I understand what your boss is saying...while I understand that she is being hypersensitive...I can see what she's saying...in our litigious society, all it takes is one person to cause your boss and company a lot of grief...

    if memory serves me right, a big stink was made at the Seattle Airport last over holiday trees...that made national headlines...

    I guess she is erring on the side of caution...it doesn't make her right, it's just the safest bet...
  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    inmytree wrote:
    I think I understand what your boss is saying...while I understand that she is being hypersensitive...I can see what she's saying...in our litigious society, all it takes is one person to cause your boss and company a lot of grief...

    if memory serves me right, a big stink was made at the Seattle Airport last over holiday trees...that made national headlines...

    I guess she is erring on the side of caution...it doesn't make her right, it's just the safest bet...


    I definitely see your point...but I think it's ridiculous nontheless. I can see if it was religious symbol but frankly as a christian I find it idiotic that people associate holly,color and a snowman as religious symbols. I feel why bother having a holiday party if you are going to drain all the festivity out of it? Maybe I will sue...:p
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  • libragirl
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    Tell them that having a "holiday party" in itself is symbolic to christmas (why else would they have it in December?), and if they were truly interested in being politically correct, they should have it in like the summer or sometime that is the furthest away from all religious holidays.

    Good Point....or why have it at all?
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  • Ahnimus
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    None of these symbols are Christian. The Mass of Christ was in september sometime.

    Santa Claus is arguably a depiction of an ancient shaman who would collect magic mushrooms for the Winter Solstice. The shaman would deliver these mushrooms to the village folk by climbing down their chimney because their front door was blocked by snow. The shrooms would then be hung by the fireplace to dry.

    A snowman is one of a limited number of sculptures children could easily make with snow, and probably the first snow sculpture to ever be made. I doubt the snowman was invented in 700 A.D. when Christian mythology was first concocted. Snowmen have probably been around as long as snow and children.

    Holly is not a Christian symbol either, it was what the Church suggested people use instead of the pagan symbol, something similar.

    Basic truth, all of Christian tradition is a rip off of other traditions.

    The star Bethlehem is the star Syrius which is directly above the newborn SUN on Dec 25, which lies below the "three kings" in the night sky. Orion's Belt is called Drie Konings (Three Kings) by Afrikaans speakers in South Africa, and French les Trois Rois (the Three Kings) in Daudet's Lettres de Mon Moulin (1866).

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    It's all ancient mythology copied and modified to support elitism.
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  • Ahnimus
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    Sometimes shamans would hang the mushrooms (Fly agaria/Amanita Muscaria) on pine trees to dry out. Thus we have christmas trees and the decorations resemble the amanita muscaria.

    In-fact, you will see the amanita muscaria, a psychedelic mushroom on many christmas cards and decorations. Even santa claus, with his red and white clothes resembles amanita muscaria.

    http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=amanita+muscaria

    The shamans also used Reindeers to filter the toxic constituents of the amanita muscaria. Directly eating the mushrooms causes some gastrointestinal discomfort. However, reindeers like these mushrooms as well and shamans used them to locate the mushrooms, they also drank the reindeer urine because it was filtered.

    I mean, these are all just theories about history, but so is the Christian account. At least this shamanistic psychadelic theory explains all these symbols.
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  • libragirl
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    That's all good, but Im more concerned how people run amok with political correctness. I do believe in my case it stemmed from someone complaining about the "holiday" favors at one party. I found it funny though that we had a xmas tree at the party last year. No rhyme or reason.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    libragirl wrote:
    That's all good, but Im more concerned how people run amok with political correctness. I do believe in my case it stemmed from someone complaining about the "holiday" favors at one party. I found it funny though that we had a xmas tree at the party last year. No rhyme or reason.

    It's all dogma to me.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    libragirl wrote:
    I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

    I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.

    :D

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  • libragirl
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    Jeanie wrote:
    :D

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    :cool:

    it's b.s. to me. ahnimus
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    libragirl wrote:
    :cool:

    it's b.s. to me. ahnimus


    I guess, having read through a little more of the thread, my thought is that people will always find things to complain about at Christmas.
    Having organized the office christmas lunch for many years, I know this. :rolleyes: :D
    By wanting to celebrate Christmas, WHICH really has NOTHING to do with the religious history of the holiday for me, I figure you can really only do your thing and if people are offended they can say so, and you can let them know why they shouldn't bother being offended.
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  • libragirl
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    Jeanie wrote:
    I guess, having read through a little more of the thread, my thought is that people will always find things to complain about at Christmas.
    Having organized the office christmas lunch for many years, I know this. :rolleyes: :D
    By wanting to celebrate Christmas, WHICH really has NOTHING to do with the religious history of the holiday for me, I figure you can really only do your thing and if people are offended they can say so, and you can let them know why they shouldn't bother being offended.

    That's for sure, people will always complain about something. But you have your work cut out for you :). I know I would offend everyone. I'd have all kinds of snowmen w/santa hats all over the place...lol
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  • Jeanie
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    libragirl wrote:
    That's for sure, people will always complain about something. But you have your work cut out for you : ). I know I would offend everyone. I'd have all kinds of snowmen w/santa hats all over the place...lol

    haha! I love when we get out the old christmas tree. It's sooo kitch! :D
    It's OLDER than me and the rattiest thing you've ever seen, but I love it! :)

    I'd also love if I could be involved with the celebrations that other cultures have around the holiday season, but I don't really know anyone that would include me in their festivities.

    As far as I can see it's the one time of year that people can get together, enjoy each other's company and let fly on a whole bunch of silly traditions and for some important cultural and religious traditions. I reckon whatever is your way of celebrating is fine by me. And anyone is welcome to join in my celebrations. Just don't be whinging at me for how I go about what I do, and I won't be whinging at you for how you go about what you do. :)

    Bring on the snowmen and santa hats! :D I love the lights! :)
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