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libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    libragirl wrote:
    I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

    I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.
    ...
    any of the Pagan symbols... Christmas Trees, baughs of holly, snowmen, Santa, all that crap is fine.
    A snowman in the manger... not so much.
    ...
    Tell your boss that Cosmo says, 'Quit being such a Douchey McDouchebag'.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    jews can't make snowmans????....if someone is offended by a snowman then they need a boot in the ass....;):D
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    lol...yeah I'm not sure if I'd be able to get away with telling her that:D..although i feel like it. It's a seasonal symbol to me. I swear political correctness goes to far times. I understand you have to be sensitive to people's differences but this is just ridiculous.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    cutback wrote:
    jews can't make snowmans????....if someone is offended by a snowman then they need a boot in the ass....;):D

    ha...ha....yeah really. Last year we had these favors that although they were cute...wasn't remotely festive. It was so lame.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    libragirl wrote:
    lol...yeah I'm not sure if I'd be able to get away with telling her that:D..although i feel like it. It's a seasonal symbol to me. I swear political correctness goes to far times. I understand you have to be sensitive to people's differences but this is just ridiculous.
    ...
    I know a lot of Jewish people and guess what? They're not offended by Christmas.
    The whole thing began when retailers wanted to cash in on the Jewish dollars... and the Muslim dollars... and the Hindu dollars and the VooDoo Dollars by 'including' everyone in on the black ink season between Thanksgiving and Christmas Day.
    Thank your local Cable News for creating a story where one didn't exist.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I know a lot of Jewish people and guess what? They're not offended by Christmas.
    The whole thing began when retailers wanted to cash in on the Jewish dollars... and the Muslim dollars... and the Hindu dollars and the VooDoo Dollars by 'including' everyone in on the black ink season between Thanksgiving and Christmas Day.
    Thank your local Cable News for creating a story where one didn't exist.


    Yeah I know a lot of jewish people who like xmas...but evidently someone at my job got offended one year when we had nutcracker favors...:rolleyes:
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    there are people that are looking to be offended......fuck 'em!

    :D
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    libragirl wrote:
    Yeah I know a lot of jewish people who like xmas...but evidently someone at my job got offended one year when we had nutcracker favors...:rolleyes:
    ...
    I bet is WASN'T a Jewish person. Probably someone that either hates Christmas because of their personal loneliness... or they had a traumatic nutcracker accident in the shower.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Snowman to me is just winter. I think your nemesis was stretching too far on that one.

    Snowman = snow = winter. Christmas is about eggnog, wrapping, ornaments, lights and the tree.

    A snowman has nothing to do with Christmas really from my observation.

    In fact I go so far as to say there's no direct connection. Santa never had a snowman on his staff.

    This is really the only extremely vague Christmas link there is:

    according to wiki

    "Frosty the Snowman is considered to be a Christmas song despite not mentioning Christmas at all."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frosty_the_Snowman
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I bet is WASN'T a Jewish person. Probably someone that either hates Christmas because of their personal loneliness... or they had a traumatic nutcracker accident in the shower.


    LOL...that made me crackup....

    Yeah it could of been someone just being a jerk. People always have opinions about how stuff should be done but seem to never volunteer to help out.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    libragirl wrote:
    LOL...that made me crackup....

    Yeah it could of been someone just being a jerk. People always have opinions about how stuff should be done but seem to never volunteer to help out.
    ...
    Besides... what does a NutCracker have to do with Jesus? They are usually painted up like fricken'... SOLDIERS.
    Unless that particuar nutcracker was a baby Jesus nutcracker.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Snowman to me is just winter. I think your nemesis was stretching too far on that one.

    Snowman = snow = winter. Christmas is about eggnog, wrapping, ornaments, lights and the tree.

    A snowman has nothing to do with Christmas really from my observation.

    In fact I go so far as to say there's no direct connection. Santa never had a snowman on his staff.

    This is really the only extremely vague Christmas link there is:

    according to wiki

    "Frosty the Snowman is considered to be a Christmas song despite not mentioning Christmas at all."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frosty_the_Snowman


    I think that's where they get the xmas connotation from....frosty..but still...it may be a xmas song....but it's not like it's religious.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Does it snow in the winter, where you live? Do you go out and play in the snow? Do you make snowmen on your front lawn?

    Watch out. The Politically Correct Police are now watching you....very closely.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Bu2 wrote:
    Does it snow in the winter, where you live? Do you go out and play in the snow? Do you make snowmen on your front lawn?

    Watch out. The Politically Correct Police are now watching you....very closely.

    Well yeah, I think that's a universal pastime no matter what your religion.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    change any textual reference to snowperpeople ... snowMAN is sexist ... so ... snowperson would be next but snowperSON is also sexist so ... it should be called snowperpeople ...

    :)
  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,174
    Cosmo wrote:
    or they had a traumatic nutcracker accident in the shower.
    ouch!!! :eek:

    and I agree with the others....a snowman is not really a symbol of christmas, it's a symbol of winter

    and I had to use your other statement in my sig.....that made me laugh more than anything I've read in the Pit before.....
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    polaris wrote:
    change any textual reference to snowperpeople ... snowMAN is sexist ... so ... snowperson would be next but snowperSON is also sexist so ... it should be called snowperpeople ...

    :)

    true... I don't want to imply that snow is exclusively one gender....:p
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  • flask0987flask0987 Posts: 12
    Libragirl, you work with some morons...
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    libragirl wrote:
    I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

    I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.

    so you have a holiday party in winter and you can't use anything that has to do with winter? last I checked you can make a snowman at any point (as long as it's good snow), not just around christmas. How bout mistletoe on a belt buckle on the snowman that at least won't offend the non-religious.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    chopitdown wrote:
    so you have a holiday party in winter and you can't use anything that has to do with winter? last I checked you can make a snowman at any point (as long as it's good snow), not just around christmas. How bout mistletoe on a belt buckle on the snowman that at least won't offend the non-religious.

    Yeah it makes no sense...People are convinced snowmen symbolic of xmas. Oh forget the mistletoe....That's also a no...no...
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    libragirl wrote:
    Yeah it makes no sense...People are convinced snowmen symbolic of xmas. Oh forget the mistletoe....That's also a no...no...

    have a picture of a summer beach scene...although, in the southern hemisphere december 25th is in the summer, so that is prob an endorsement of christmas as well... sounds like it's gonna be a great party, if you can just advertise it.
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    All snowmen say to me is cute and winter. One of the few winter symbols I like. I have a snowman on my desk right now.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Well it's that time again...We have a new person at my work who's in charge of designing the "holiday" party invites. She was told to take the holly and get rid of the green in it....I told her welcome to insert name of company :p
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Tell them that having a "holiday party" in itself is symbolic to christmas (why else would they have it in December?), and if they were truly interested in being politically correct, they should have it in like the summer or sometime that is the furthest away from all religious holidays.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I like our owners. They call it a Chirtmas party and they send out Christmas cards. The Christmas party is on personal time and is a gift from the owners to the employess (and not an entitilement of employees). If the idea of a Chirstmas party offends you then you are welcome to not attend and no one will think less of you. One year one of the owners got a little fed up and said along the lines of "if you don't like the idea of a Christmas party then you also don't like the idea of your annual bonus which is based on my beliefs".
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I'll stick with my earlier statement:

    "In fact I go so far as to say there's no direct connection. Santa never had a snowman on his staff."

    it made me laugh...
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    cutback wrote:
    there are people that are looking to be offended......fuck 'em!

    :D

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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    libragirl wrote:
    I was curious about people's opinions on a subject...particularly jewish people. Every year we have to be super careful about what we use in terms of a theme for our Holiday party, and yes we don't dare to call it a christmas party. So anyway I was helping my boss choose invitations and I like this snowman design. She knocked it down, citing it too "christmasy" How in the heck is a snowman christmasy? I can see if he had a santa hat on or was holding a crucifix?

    I don't know..maybe Im missing something. So in an effort to be so politically correct and sensitive our parties seem so boring and plain.


    I think I understand what your boss is saying...while I understand that she is being hypersensitive...I can see what she's saying...in our litigious society, all it takes is one person to cause your boss and company a lot of grief...

    if memory serves me right, a big stink was made at the Seattle Airport last over holiday trees...that made national headlines...

    I guess she is erring on the side of caution...it doesn't make her right, it's just the safest bet...
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    inmytree wrote:
    I think I understand what your boss is saying...while I understand that she is being hypersensitive...I can see what she's saying...in our litigious society, all it takes is one person to cause your boss and company a lot of grief...

    if memory serves me right, a big stink was made at the Seattle Airport last over holiday trees...that made national headlines...

    I guess she is erring on the side of caution...it doesn't make her right, it's just the safest bet...


    I definitely see your point...but I think it's ridiculous nontheless. I can see if it was religious symbol but frankly as a christian I find it idiotic that people associate holly,color and a snowman as religious symbols. I feel why bother having a holiday party if you are going to drain all the festivity out of it? Maybe I will sue...:p
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Tell them that having a "holiday party" in itself is symbolic to christmas (why else would they have it in December?), and if they were truly interested in being politically correct, they should have it in like the summer or sometime that is the furthest away from all religious holidays.

    Good Point....or why have it at all?
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