More American racism against Muslims...

dg1979us wrote:

I dont really disagree with that, and I dont really agree with the law. But that still doesnt change the fact that the veil is a sign of oppression and I really dont see how that can be argued. But if a woman chooses to wear it, then I believe she should. But in saying that, I can also understand business or schools not allowing it and things of that nature.

What if the wearer is a devout muslim? It seems as if every woman who wears a burka is automatically labeled as oppressed, clearly a simple generalization that symbolizes the misunderstanding of Islam in the western world. If this is the policy then businesses and schools should be consistent and ban all other religious symbols. If not then it's obviously a discrimination based on a specific religion.

They should be able to wear whatever they want.

As much as we, in western society, think the veil, the very long tunic, the long sleeves, the covered neck, the burka are symbols of repression, believe it or not, many Muslim women are used to these garments and are uncomfortable once they are unveiled or wearing short skirts or sleeveless tops.
For some somen, wearing the hijab (veil) is actually liberating. They're not judged because of their appearance according to the latest style and they are not the object of catcalls and remarks when in public.

However, I think that one must adapt one's self to the customs and culture of the country where he lives. Therefore, it's normal for Muslim women to dress like their Dutch contemporaries, not just for reasons fo identification or communication or "safety".
However, passing a law won't help educate people about their cultural differences and how they won't be bad people in the eyes of their (abrahamic, sikh, zoroastrian...) god by bending the rules a little.

Is this law really about the burqa or is it about dissuading muslims from moving to Holland?

dg1979us wrote:

It is oppression. Im sorry, but you arent going to convince me that women in muslim countries arent oppressed. You arent going to tell me things like genital mutilation , honor killings, forced marriages, the denial of education to women, etc etc isnt oppression. Sure the veil is minor compared to those types of things, but its still a symbol of women's status in the muslim world. Just dismissing it as a cultural difference is ludicrous.

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But what does genital mutilation,honor killings, forced marriages and denial of education to women have to do with islam to begin with? you sound as if they are muslim inventions. don't be so ignorant.

In america, women still don't even have full rights, and some guys too, the gay ones. they are still oppressed when you look at it.

yes, dismissing it as a cultural difference is ludicrous. Indeed.

dg1979us wrote:

I dont really understand your point. The things I mentioned most certainly occur in many Islamic nations. It might not actually have to do with the Koran, or be from the teachings of Mohammed, but it most certainly happens in many Muslim countries. And I dont recall saying Islam invented anything, or that Muslims were the only people to ever act that way towards women, not really sure what ass you pulled that out of.

ANd yes, in America we still have sexism and racism and homophobia. I dont recall ever denying that either. But there is no way any honest person can possibly compare the levels of sexism, racism, homophobia, etc, in the US, to what goes on in say Saudia Arabia for example.

Yes but remember that america supports this saudi arabia, they support the royals, so imagine a country that would support such a country. say's alot about them I think.

So if you still want to compare levels.

all I was pointing out was that it's a myth that these things you name are more prevalent in arab countries.

dg1979us wrote:

It is oppression. Im sorry, but you arent going to convince me that women in muslim countries arent oppressed. You arent going to tell me things like genital mutilation , honor killings, forced marriages, the denial of education to women, etc etc isnt oppression. Sure the veil is minor compared to those types of things, but its still a symbol of women's status in the muslim world. Just dismissing it as a cultural difference is ludicrous.

Now, I will say I dont agree with this law, because I dont think civilized nations should prohibit people from wearing what they want. But, I can at least understand where its coming from. There are some cultural differences, where one side is better than the other side. And the way women are treated is most certainly better in western society than in most Islamic societies.

okay all i was talking about were the burquas so if you could stop straying from the point

Ebizzie wrote:

Is this law really about the burqa or is it about dissuading muslims from moving to Holland?

It's about the burqa. Western people show their face when walking down the street- if you want to live in a western country- get rid of the burqa (in public).

Assimilate.

MrBrian wrote:

But what does genital mutilation,honor killings, forced marriages and denial of education to women have to do with islam to begin with? you sound as if they are muslim inventions. don't be so ignorant.

In america, women still don't even have full rights, and some guys too, the gay ones. they are still oppressed when you look at it.

yes, dismissing it as a cultural difference is ludicrous. Indeed.

Women have as many rights as men in this country. No question. None. I repeat, no question. Democrats accuse Republicans of using the fear card with terrorism. Well, Democrats use it too with this bullshit. They also like to scare you into thinking your vote won't get counted. But wait! The Dems won the election, so alas, no high profile voting issues. No write-up in Rolling Stone.