More American racism against Muslims...

cincybearcat

Er....wait a minute

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/17/dutch.burkas.ap/index.html

I thought Europe was perfect.

thankyougrandma

Call me racist all you want, but i totally agree with that...

"THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burqas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places."

cincybearcat

thankyougrandma wrote:

Call me racist all you want, but i totally agree with that...

"THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burqas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places."

Racist.




















u asked me to

Eliot Rosewater

thankyougrandma wrote:

Call me racist all you want, but i totally agree with that...

"THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burqas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places."

Sure, but how much of that has to do with you being on the opposite end of the spectrum? I hear there are some nude beaches in your area....

aoife

thankyougrandma wrote:

Call me racist all you want, but i totally agree with that...

"THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burqas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places."

do you not realise that is totally ignorant of a different culture and way of life

thankyougrandma

cincybearcat wrote:

Racist.




















u asked me to

no problem, i think Burka shouldn't exist in the first place, not talking about the veil on the head, that is even damn sexy.

thankyougrandma

don't gimme no wrote:

Sure, but how much of that has to do with you being on the opposite end of the spectrum? I hear there are some nude beaches in your area....

hehe, Montreal is not St-Tropez, it's cold up here right now... and damn rainy (3,7 sun hours in the last 14 days, depressing). There are some nude beaches around but not much, and some nudist campground, and some nude strippers club, and some swingers club, whatever you like.

thankyougrandma

aoife wrote:

do you not realise that is totally ignorant of a different culture and way of life

not sure it makes me ignorant about a different culture, but sure i don't understand the Burka. If you can prove me that most women are wearing it on their own will, then i'll agree with you that it is just another fashion items. Maybe yes it can be seen as ignorant, but the feminist male in me is stronger than the religious belief male in me.

dg1979us

aoife wrote:

do you not realise that is totally ignorant of a different culture and way of life

I wouldnt say its ignorance. The burkha is more or less a sign of oppression. By tolerating the burkha you are more or less tolerating the oppression of women. If the woman just feels more comfortable wearing it, then more power to her, but if she is wearing it out of fear or intimidation then thats a different story.

thankyougrandma

dg1979us wrote:

I wouldnt say its ignorance. The burkha is more or less a sign of oppression. By tolerating the burkha you are more or less tolerating the oppression of women. If the woman just feels more comfortable wearing it, then more power to her, but if she is wearing it out of fear or intimidation then thats a different story.

yeah that's also my opinion, thanks for making it clear

enharmonic

Last I checked, "Muslim" was not a race.

surferdude

dg1979us wrote:

I wouldnt say its ignorance. The burkha is more or less a sign of oppression.

It's only a sign of oppression using your own culturally unique meaning of oppression, and how you can't fathom people voluntarily living with a different set of morals from your own. You are tyring to transfer your morals onto another culture and I think that's wrong. I wouldn't say racist but definitely verging on xenophobia.

NMyTree

Kudos to the people of the Netherlands!!!

Ebizzie

surferdude wrote:

It's only a sign of oppression using your own culturally unique meaning of oppression, and how you can't fathom people voluntarily living with a different set of morals from your own. You are tyring to transfer your morals onto another culture and I think that's wrong. I wouldn't say racist but definitely verging on xenophobia.

Sooo, what you're really saying is that you support the Muslim treatment of women?

I'm not trying to dog you, I understand your point but you must also understand how easily your comment can be turned into my ridiculous question. This is why liberals are demonized by many Americans, this attitude that there is no right or wrong, good or evil. Something as disrespectful to human freedoms as forcing a woman to be covered head-to-toe in public is considered acceptable by the far left being it's just "their morals". Do you also feel cannibalism should be accepted? Genocide and sectarian violence? Those are components of some cultures' moralities. Worse yet, someone who says that these things are wrong, "women shouldn't have to be covered head-to-toe in public", is labeled as a racist and xenophobe?!?!?

Is there just no common ground amongst people? Does every stand someone takes have to lie in the corner of revolutionary left or the radical right? This, to me, seems like a pretty cut and dry case of wrongness and clear oppression of human rights. I think that 95% of non-Muslims would probably agree with me, as well as a large portion of Muslims themselves. And yet you're going to label all of us "xenophobes"? I don't get it, man.

dg1979us

surferdude wrote:

It's only a sign of oppression using your own culturally unique meaning of oppression, and how you can't fathom people voluntarily living with a different set of morals from your own. You are tyring to transfer your morals onto another culture and I think that's wrong. I wouldn't say racist but definitely verging on xenophobia.

Excuse me but equality of the sexes is most definately better than the mistreatment of one sex. In many muslim societies women are forced to wear veils, are forced to walk behind men, have no chance of being leaders in their society, etc etc. It isnt voluntary, its law. You arent going to convince me that the oppression of women is just a cultural difference that I dont understand, its sexism and its oppression and and I have no problem saying the western worlds treatment of women is far superior to that of many Islamic nations. Like I said, if a muslim woman in Europe wants to wear a veil, I think that should be her right. But keep in mind she might choose to wear it out of intimidation or fear because of the way things were in her home country.

aoife

thankyougrandma wrote:

not sure it makes me ignorant about a different culture, but sure i don't understand the Burka. If you can prove me that most women are wearing it on their own will, then i'll agree with you that it is just another fashion items. Maybe yes it can be seen as ignorant, but the feminist male in me is stronger than the religious belief male in me.

you know most of those women are proud of their religion and believe in it and what they are wearing who are you to tell them that they are being opressed and dont want to wear it. they have their own opinions and beliefs that you dont understand because you come from a different background. i dont understand either but at least im not trying to apply my set of values and beliefs to a different culture. if you ask me your being sexist by telling these women what they believe in is wrong and by implying that they are weak. many of these are educated women who should be allowed wear what they want

NMyTree

aoife wrote:

you know most of those women are proud of their religion and believe in it and what they are wearing who are you to tell them that they are being opressed and dont want to wear it. they have their own opinions and beliefs that you dont understand because you come from a different background. i dont understand either but at least im not trying to apply my set of values and beliefs to a different culture. if you ask me your being sexist by telling these women what they believe in is wrong and by implying that they are weak. many of these are educated women who should be allowed wear what they want

Are non-Muslims living in Islamic states (countries) permitted to dress, behave and practice their faith without restrictions of any kind?

aoife

NMyTree wrote:

Are non-Muslims living in Islamic states (countries) permitted to dress, behave and practice their faith without restrictions of any kind?

so if you disagree with the way it is there why do you support the same thing happening in europe and the west in general

NMyTree

aoife wrote:

so if you disagree with the way it is there why do you support the same thing happening in europe and the west in general

Because the Islamic culture promotes and enforces a highly restrictive and oppressive set of guidelines, rules, regulations and policies on themselves and on all non-mulsims who live amongst them. Permitting them to impose their will and culture in non-Islamic countries has proven itself to be a highly dangerous, violent and disruptive approach to social integration.

If they demand non-muslims integrate into their society and culture under strict and prohibitive rules; why would they expect non-Islamic countries and societies to permit Muslims to ignore and disregard the guidelines, rules, regulations and policies these host non-Islamic countries/societies have established and enforce?

Muslims have long considered Islam, themselves and their religion above the laws and rules of all other non-Islamic countries, while practicing double-standards and hypocrisy when it comes to their own values being respected and honored by non-muslims, in Islamic states/countries.

When you travel to different countries or move to live in other countries, you must be willing and committed to living within the rules of their society and culture.

aoife

NMyTree wrote:

Because the Islamic culture promotes and enforces a highly restrictive and oppressive set of guidelines, rules, regulations and policies on themselves and on all non-mulsims who live amongst them. Permitting them to impose their will and culture in non-Islamic countries has proven itself to be a highly dangerous, violent and disruptive approach to social integration.

If they demand non-muslims integrate into their society and culture under strict and prohibitive rules; why would they expect non-Islamic countries and societies to permit Muslims to ignore and disregard the guidelines, rules, regulations and policies these host non-Islamic countries/societies have established and enforce?

Muslims have long considered Islam, themselves and their religion above the laws and rules of all other non-Islamic countries, while practicing double-standards and hypocrisy when it comes to their own values being respected and honored by non-muslims, in Islamic states/countries.

When you travel to different countries or move to live in other countries, you must be willing and committed to living within the rules of their society and culture.

imposing themselves? im sorry how does the way a muslim woman dresses impose on you and the way you live your life?
also its not like there was a rule before they came that people could not dress according to their religion, that only came recently in order to discriminate against muslims, wearing the dress these women do does not pose a threat to society and so there should not be a law against it. people should be allowed to dress how they wish as long as it isnt indecent and this is anything but

SweetHarmonics

Any law that controls an individual's appearance is fundamentally flawed. How is this anything but fascist?

So the motive for wearing it is what's at hand here. As soon a mind-reading device is invented they should get right on that.