Kucinich endorses Ron Paul

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If radical means something different from the same old shit we've been plagued with for years in our govt then I'm all for a 'radical' candidate because this old, tired path we've been using is only leading us off a cliff. I refuse to follow it anymore.
    That's fine. Honestly, the more people like Kucinich and Paul, the better. They improve the national debate. But the electorate is never going to vote for radical change all at once. Gradualism, in my opinion, is the key to long term change.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    i'm a bit confunded. Just prior to the Iowa caucus, didn't Kucinich tell his supporters to cacus for Obama when he himself (Kucinich) wasn't viable?
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I am sorta ashamed of coming back here and blasting Obama first thing but I'll be the first to admit that his supporters irk the shit outta me. A little pet peeve, I reckon. :D

    Also, I'm suprised no one has brought up how so many of Kucinich and Paul's stances are so opposing. I think though, that the admiration comes from both of them being authentic and true to themselves...a beautiful and rare trait (esp in politics).

    and some feel the same way about Obama....so the characteristics of why you like Kucinich and Paul are just as weak as Framer was on Obama....I don't want to pick a fight with you..as I respect your posts...but think this thread really turned on Framer.....even though he may not have supported his position well.....and its not like he wanted Huckabilly....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Gradualism, in my opinion, is the key to long term change.

    I always used to say that gradualism is the key to an early death.

    But hey, I gotta give Obama credit for defending the status quo through the mantra of change. It takes a real politician to do that.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I always used to say that gradualism is the key to an early death.
    I'm pretty sure you're not in favor of the kind of change I'd like, so if I keep it gradual, maybe I can slip it past you.

    Besides, what would you radical right-wingers do without status quo, salt of the earth types like me? Live happily in the eventual stasis that anarchy will bring?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm pretty sure you're not in favor of the kind of change I'd like, so if I keep it gradual, maybe I can slip it past you.

    Or you could just keep forcing me to do whatever you'd like. Seems easier, eh?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Or you could just keep forcing me to do whatever you'd like. Seems easier, eh?
    If I stopped, would you lose purpose?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    If I stopped, would you lose purpose?

    Hehe...there's only one way to find out.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    lol...who are you voting for?


    LOL...who are you voting for?




    o thats right...you're not
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    LOL...who are you voting for?




    o thats right...you're not


    I'm voting for you because you're so awesome.

    assumptions...assumptions...tsk...tsk..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RainDog wrote:
    There are a lot of things about every candidate, major or minor, that I'm not exactly O.K. with. While I'm not completely O.K. with the renewal of the patriot act, it's not unusual for Senators to reach compromises (and is the main reason Senators don't usually make for good candidates).
    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/

    Yes, by my analogy, the interest rate cap was the 'sugar.' I believe, and I think I heard this from him before, but I'm a little busy at work to do an extensive search, but I believe the reason he voted against the 30% cap was because it was too high, and he didn't want it sweetening a bill he didn't want to see passed. Instead, he proposed his own Credit Card Bill of Rights:

    "Obama’s proposed bill of rights for credit card holders would make credit card companies give their customers the option to drop out of an agreement should the credit card company decide to increase interest rates. The proposal would also restrict companies from raising interest rates on past balances and would also prohibit companies from charging interest rates on normal transaction fees."
    http://www.thriftyscot.com/132/122007/senator-obama-hails-credit-card-bill-of-rights.html

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

    The aggressive talk about Iran (I didn't consider it that aggressive, but I see what you're saying), was just tough for a tough situation. He did oppose the Kyl-Lieberman bill declaring the Iranian military a terrorist organization (though he wasn't in Washington when the last minute vote was called - and I do think that was a mistake).

    He is what he is - a moderate-left Democrat running for president. He has been and will get criticized from both the right and the left in this country simply because he's not 100% socialist nor 100% "kill da bastads that look at us cross-eyed."



    first, i worded the sugar/shit part of my post poorly, re-reading it it looks snide and like a dick and that's not how i meant it at all.

    i don't think you have to be a radical socialist, i just don't see obama as much, if any, of a change. i don't trust him and i may be wrong but my personal opinion is his talk of iraq and foreign policy changes w/ the polls...when the war had more support he talked of keeping a permanent presence and showing iran and syria we "were serious"...then when the support drops his message suddenly changes reflecting the polls...

    now you could say this is good, it shows he's listening to the ppl, maybe so, maybe i'm just too cynical and jaded from the past....too many decades to count really, abuses and lies of government and politicians and the corporate media and pr firms....i just don't trust him, especially after seeing who some of his top advisors are and knowing what they have done in the past

    i trust someone more who's view on those things were constant since day 1
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i do not like Kucinich's support of Ron Paul...



    el kabong and abook... i assume you both are supporting Kucinch as i am... i was wondering how you felt about the endorsement he gave to Obama a few days ago?

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