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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:Why.
They will just disprove it.
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You think the light of day will ever shine through the pitch black curtains of the mainstream media?
No.
I just watched it. It wasn't a total bust.
There was a deliniation made (through the power of editing) near the end of the program in which an anonymous observer is shown telling us he thinks 9/11 was orchestrated via a "cabal;", and then goes on to give us a definition of "cabal".
I didn't record the program, so here is the definition of cabal per wiki:
A cabal is a number of persons united in some close design, usually to promote their private views and interests in a church, state, or other community by intrigue. Cabals are sometimes secret organizations composed of a few designing persons, and at other times are manifestations of emergent behavior in society or governance on the part of a community of persons who have well established public affiliation or kinship.
Now, of the powers that be on this earth, who might this definition describe?
If I were to believe the History channel's answer to this question, I might think along the lines of "People change their views".
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:i actually gave a damn good reason why it was a bad show, but as typical around here you sheeples would rather debate bullshit and ignore real indicators of invalidity ... i posted a link to Infowars Explaining SERIOUS BIAS in the promotion of this show and all i got back was personal attack saying Alex Jones has rotted my brain or some such garbage
(which i have come ONLY to expect from the like of Jlew and his ilk ... people who will NEVER get drawn in to REAL discussion but only FLING INSULTS and insinuate that you are crazy, or must be stupid because you misspell one in a hundred words - hey i could post a half dozen stupid misspelling from him too, but i choose to stick to the point)
ANYHOW,
if anyone took the time to read that link,
you'd see that what was original advertised was:
but then they changed it, removing the reference to The Pop Mech EIC (gee, i wonder why?) and basicaly making it sound more bening, all though still being VERY BLUNT about it being a show ABOUT DISPROVING 911 "CT":
So ...
IT IS A BAD SHOW,
because just like the 911 Omissions Report it DOES NO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING on the matter, it simply picks a conclussion from the get-go and goes about explaining why said conclusion must be right.
Sounds like a real bullshit piece if you ask me.
Of course you sheeple will swallow it like ice cream on a hot day.
:(
We wont even discuss here the many simpler inconsistencies and coincidences that point to fishy shit going on. Why were most of the hijackers Saudi if this was about either Bin Laden\Afghanistan or Iraq? Why was Mahmoud Ahmad (the man who wired the money To Mohammed Atta) having lunch with the chairman of the Senate Intelligene Committee on 911? Why did Bush just fucking sit there after TWO planes had hit, and it was OBVIOUS we were under the most serious terror attack ever? Why was the Patriot Act (has anyone seen how goddamn long and complex it is?) just ready to go ... like it was drafted and just waiting to be "sprung" ... what about all the fucking motive to go in to Iraq & Afghanistan that was evident from PNAC and long before ... why wouldn't bush and cheney go under oath ... and then what i see as THE MOST PROBLEMATIC CONTRADICTION ...
EVERY SINGLE US OFFICIAL CLAIMS THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF TERRORISTS INTENDING TO USE PLANES TO DESTROY TARGETS IN THE USE AND YET, ON 911 THEY WERE CONDUCTING MULTIPLE LIVE EXCERCISES THAT INVOLVED JUST THAT ... and not ONLY just that but excercises involving PLANES FLYING IN TO THE PENTAGON AND THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS ...
now go look at the london bombings in 2005, and ask yourself the probability that TWO SEPERATE GOVERNMENTS at two seperate times would both conduct LIVE TRAINING DRILLS with military\police both AT THE EXACT SAME TIME IN THE SAME GODDAMN PLACE(same target) AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ... and FYI those drills on 911 were done anually in JUNE (i believe) and were pushed back to 911 ... WHY !??!
LYING SACKS OF SHIT. DEFEND THIS. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THEY WERE JUST CYA, HUH? AND THE "TRAINING EXCERCISES THAT WERE GOING ON THE EXACT DAY AND THE EXACT TIME REGARDING THE EXACT SAME THING? NOT A COVER UP FOR THE REAL THING?
Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Warrior, the list goes on. How many fucking drills were they doing on 911? Jeez. Is it getting HOT in here?
WTF???
YOU DONT SMELL FISH?
the fucking list of problems with the official story is so massive you folks would refuse to read it all ... shit, you have refused to read it before, i doubt your reading this now. (and if you have, you'll just post some shit response that attempts to laugh me off as crazy)
i don't feel so lonely around here anymore!thank you,i knew there had to be some other PJ fans that "took the red pill" too."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:i actually gave a damn good reason why it was a bad show, but as typical around here you sheeples would rather debate bullshit and ignore real indicators of invalidity ... i posted a link to Infowars Explaining SERIOUS BIAS in the promotion of this show and all i got back was personal attack saying Alex Jones has rotted my brain or some such garbage
(which i have come ONLY to expect from the like of Jlew and his ilk ... people who will NEVER get drawn in to REAL discussion but only FLING INSULTS and insinuate that you are crazy, or must be stupid because you misspell one in a hundred words - hey i could post a half dozen stupid misspelling from him too, but i choose to stick to the point)
ANYHOW,
if anyone took the time to read that link,
you'd see that what was original advertised was:
but then they changed it, removing the reference to The Pop Mech EIC (gee, i wonder why?) and basicaly making it sound more bening, all though still being VERY BLUNT about it being a show ABOUT DISPROVING 911 "CT":
So ...
IT IS A BAD SHOW,
because just like the 911 Omissions Report it DOES NO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING on the matter, it simply picks a conclussion from the get-go and goes about explaining why said conclusion must be right.
Sounds like a real bullshit piece if you ask me.
Of course you sheeple will swallow it like ice cream on a hot day.
:(
We wont even discuss here the many simpler inconsistencies and coincidences that point to fishy shit going on. Why were most of the hijackers Saudi if this was about either Bin Laden\Afghanistan or Iraq? Why was Mahmoud Ahmad (the man who wired the money To Mohammed Atta) having lunch with the chairman of the Senate Intelligene Committee on 911? Why did Bush just fucking sit there after TWO planes had hit, and it was OBVIOUS we were under the most serious terror attack ever? Why was the Patriot Act (has anyone seen how goddamn long and complex it is?) just ready to go ... like it was drafted and just waiting to be "sprung" ... what about all the fucking motive to go in to Iraq & Afghanistan that was evident from PNAC and long before ... why wouldn't bush and cheney go under oath ... and then what i see as THE MOST PROBLEMATIC CONTRADICTION ...
EVERY SINGLE US OFFICIAL CLAIMS THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF TERRORISTS INTENDING TO USE PLANES TO DESTROY TARGETS IN THE USE AND YET, ON 911 THEY WERE CONDUCTING MULTIPLE LIVE EXCERCISES THAT INVOLVED JUST THAT ... and not ONLY just that but excercises involving PLANES FLYING IN TO THE PENTAGON AND THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS ...
now go look at the london bombings in 2005, and ask yourself the probability that TWO SEPERATE GOVERNMENTS at two seperate times would both conduct LIVE TRAINING DRILLS with military\police both AT THE EXACT SAME TIME IN THE SAME GODDAMN PLACE(same target) AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ... and FYI those drills on 911 were done anually in JUNE (i believe) and were pushed back to 911 ... WHY !??!
LYING SACKS OF SHIT. DEFEND THIS. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THEY WERE JUST CYA, HUH? AND THE "TRAINING EXCERCISES THAT WERE GOING ON THE EXACT DAY AND THE EXACT TIME REGARDING THE EXACT SAME THING? NOT A COVER UP FOR THE REAL THING?
Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Warrior, the list goes on. How many fucking drills were they doing on 911? Jeez. Is it getting HOT in here?
WTF???
YOU DONT SMELL FISH?
the fucking list of problems with the official story is so massive you folks would refuse to read it all ... shit, you have refused to read it before, i doubt your reading this now. (and if you have, you'll just post some shit response that attempts to laugh me off as crazy)
Arguing about 9/11 is as pointless as arguing about abortion, the JFK assassination, and the bible... No matter what anyone says, the other sides can come up with 597 different links to counter it.
I don't accept the gov't story of 9/11, but at the same time I don't accept the Alex Jones/infowars/prison planet story of 9/11 either.... my definition of "sheeple" would be people who accept either side of the argument in their entirety. Nothing is ever black and white or as cut and dry as either side of any issue portray, that is why those of us somewhere in the middle of the debate view both extremes (the gov't side and the conspiracy side) in the same light of craziness.
Apparently only those who totally agree with you are ones that you think have open eyes and an open mind.My whole life
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blackredyellow wrote:Arguing about 9/11 is as pointless as arguing about abortion, the JFK assassination, and the bible... No matter what anyone says, the other sides can come up with 597 different links to counter it.
I don't accept the gov't story of 9/11, but at the same time I don't accept the Alex Jones/infowars/prison planet story of 9/11 either.... my definition of "sheeple" would be people who accept either side of the argument in their entirety. Nothing is ever black and white or as cut and dry as either side of any issue portray, that is why those of us somewhere in the middle of the debate view both extremes (the gov't side and the conspiracy side) in the same light of craziness.
Apparently only those who totally agree with you are ones that you think have open eyes and an open mind.
you are wrong! see there is but one "truth" and the rest are variations of the truth or lies.
when you stick your hand in an open flame it's not debatable if it's hot or not.it's fucking hot,and you better move your hand or it's going to burn.
the difference between "us" is i stopped,dropped and rolled a long time ago and you are still walking around on fire wondering why you're hot."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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JamMastaE wrote:you are wrong! see there is but one "truth" and the rest are variations of the truth or lies.
when you stick your hand in an open flame it's not debatable if it's hot or not.it's fucking hot,and you better move your hand or it's going to burn.
the difference between "us" is i stopped,dropped and rolled a long time ago and you are still walking around on fire wondering why you're hot.
But you aren't talking about simple things like is water being wet or flame being hot... you are talking about this grand conspiracy put on by a group of people who can't even clean up a city after a hurricane. Do you expect us to all believe that our government could pull off something of this magnitude, with so many people either on the take or silenced?
Remember, these are the people who couldn't even plant a few WMD's in Iraq or come up with better faked satellite images to justify or defend the war, but they could absolutely cover their asses when dealing with countless people planning flights, hijacks, demolitions, launching a missile at the pentagon, and all of the post event cover up and scrutiny?
This wasn't some small assassination with only a few key people in the know, we are talking about hundreds of people who had to have some limited knowledge of this whole scheme to pull it off...My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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blackredyellow wrote:Apparently only those who totally agree with you are ones that you think have open eyes and an open mind.
no, i reserve the "open mind" award for people who can respond intelligently and over the issues ...
but around here, the people i peg as sheeple are the ones that (as you say) do NOT agree with anything the unconforming side has to offer, but offer NOTHING in response other than personal attacks, comments like "that is so stupid i don't even need to respond" or "you are such a fucking prick, i hope you get banned" (sent to me last night via PM) ... or numerous other non-arguments.
all i ask of anyone (in order to avoid being called sheeple) is to simply read what is posted, think about it, and formulate a response based on reason ...
but you NEVER get that around here.
Go look at the thread where GodPt3 writes the one liner to the effect of "This is no different than the trilateral commission conpiracy crap that was debunked 20 years ago" ... i post a rebuttal along with pertinent quotes from government officials and trilateral\CFR insiders which state flat out that they ARE controlling the world, and he has NO response. NOTHING NADA. Never seen again in that thread.
They just pick and choose the weakest damn arguments to suit their weak responses. Or they wait for someone to make a gaffe, misspelling, error in their argument and then spring on that ... but NEVER, EVER, do they honestly confront the pertinent issues.
Can you maybe see why i would get infuriated and start flinging "insults" back once and a while. Insults seem to be "their' PRIMARY response ... help me if i have lowered myself to that standard on occassion.
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blackredyellow wrote:Remember, these are the people who couldn't even plant a few WMD's in Iraq or come up with better faked satellite images to justify or defend the war, but they could absolutely cover their asses when dealing with countless people planning flights, hijacks, demolitions, launching a missile at the pentagon, and all of the post event cover up and scrutiny?
First, they DID NOT cover their asses. I've posted links to 6 minute videos of constant lies in front of camera and congress. These people lied through their fucking teeth in the days and months after 911. Just go back and watch again.
But beyond that, lets talk about 911 once more for a quick sec: i'd just like to make one point, and that is that for a long while now i've been quietly slipping farther from
the "controlled demolition", "missle in the pentagon" camp
and over to the
"why bother with that shit, just quietly fund the terrorists, back the FBI off their trail, ignore all the warnings, maybe make sure your israeli buddies at the airports let the terrorists on the planes, start flooding the media with propaganda immediately and then take this country to war as fast as can be, and let fox portray anyone who dissents as a traitor" camp ...
the more i read and the more i see about this issue, the clearer to me it becomes that this is probably how it went down. The MOTIVE is absolutely there 100% plus. These people sold their souls a LONG time ago, and nothing was going to stop them from getting in to Afghanistan, Iraq, and eventually Iran ...
I highly suggest you go read The Bush Agenda ... i'm still only half way through the book and my head is falling off with all the info in it ... it is scary as hell, and ALL documented ... the quotes alone are enough to prove that it smells like fish!If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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blackredyellow wrote:But you aren't talking about simple things like is water being wet or flame being hot... you are talking about this grand conspiracy put on by a group of people who can't even clean up a city after a hurricane. Do you expect us to all believe that our government could pull off something of this magnitude, with so many people either on the take or silenced?
Remember, these are the people who couldn't even plant a few WMD's in Iraq or come up with better faked satellite images to justify or defend the war, but they could absolutely cover their asses when dealing with countless people planning flights, hijacks, demolitions, launching a missile at the pentagon, and all of the post event cover up and scrutiny?
This wasn't some small assassination with only a few key people in the know, we are talking about hundreds of people who had to have some limited knowledge of this whole scheme to pull it off...
your failure to comprehend only discredits the theory in your "own" mind,those of us who understand this world and the elite who run it are well aware of what they are capable of."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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blackredyellow wrote:But you aren't talking about simple things like is water being wet or flame being hot... you are talking about this grand conspiracy put on by a group of people who can't even clean up a city after a hurricane. Do you expect us to all believe that our government could pull off something of this magnitude, with so many people either on the take or silenced?
Remember, these are the people who couldn't even plant a few WMD's in Iraq or come up with better faked satellite images to justify or defend the war, but they could absolutely cover their asses when dealing with countless people planning flights, hijacks, demolitions, launching a missile at the pentagon, and all of the post event cover up and scrutiny?
This wasn't some small assassination with only a few key people in the know, we are talking about hundreds of people who had to have some limited knowledge of this whole scheme to pull it off...
Exactly. This is the illusion that put forward. They didn't want to clean up New Orleans. That much seems obvious no? They made little to zero effort....even years after.
They didn't find WMD's because they knew Saddam didn't have the capabilities. They Bombed Iraq back into the stone age long before this claim was ever made. Gulf war 1...remember? For many years they were busy destroying Iraq's infrastructure, and military capability.
Not only that, they claimed to have found the ones they originally sold to Saddam and pumped that in the media, (but they also happened to conveniently leave this fact out). Pure disinformation. Many Americans still believe to this day he really had WMD's.... WMD's so old that they had a kill radius of a maybe a dozen feet...if that.
They were useless expired munitions. So ask yourself how is it that so many Americans believed the WMD lie (and still do now)?
This is the level of campaign against your senses. It's very slick. It's not casual, or careless, or incompetent.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So rather than the New Orleans response being further evidence that this administration is completely incompetent - it's evidence of them playing incompetent to further divert attention away from their evil genius? Please. We have enough problems here without being tied into some overly complex mouse-trap of a conspiracy.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:Exactly. This is the illusion that put forward. They didn't want to clean up New Orleans. That much seems obvious no? They made little to zero effort....even years after.
Funny, I heard about the uselessness of the reported WMDs - and where they came from - inRolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:They didn't find WMD's because they knew Saddam didn't have the capabilities. They Bombed Iraq back into the stone age long before this claim was ever made. Gulf war 1...remember? For many years they were busy destroying Iraq's infrastructure, and military capability.
Not only that, they claimed to have found the ones they originally sold to Saddam and pumped that in the media, (but they also happened to conveniently leave this fact out). Pure disinformation. Many Americans still believe to this day he really had WMD's.... WMD's so old that they had a kill radius of a maybe a dozen feet...if that.
They were useless expired munitions. So ask yourself how is it that so many Americans believed the WMD lie (and still do now)?
the media. The mainstream media.
Rather than look at the 9-11 response, the Katrina response, and the Iraq war and see an administration that's incompetent all around (with ample evidence) - I should see the mastery of the conspiracy behind 9-11, see New Orleans as a diversionary tactic regarding said mastery, and the Iraq war..... well here's what I don't get. They show incredible organizational and managerial skills regarding 9-11 and the Katrina diversion, but can't find the time to plant one or two functional WMDs in the sands of Iraq?
or have anything to do with Occam's razor, I see.....RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:This is the level of campaign against your senses. It's very slick. It's not casual, or careless, or incompetent.0 -
michaelcassio wrote:The 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction
9:00 pm (Eastern time) The History Channel
**credit to 69charger
it's being repeated saturday the 25th too. everyone should see this. it not only rebuffs conspiracy theories but shows how the information is being distorted. the most moving bit is when they show what this is doing to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11. it shows how sick and heartless people can be.0 -
RainDog wrote:So rather than the New Orleans response being further evidence that this administration is completely incompetent - it's evidence of them playing incompetent to further divert attention away from their evil genius? Please. We have enough problems here without being tied into some overly complex mouse-trap of a conspiracy.
Funny, I heard about the uselessness of the reported WMDs - and where they came from - in
the media. The mainstream media.
Rather than look at the 9-11 response, the Katrina response, and the Iraq war and see an administration that's incompetent all around (with ample evidence) - I should see the mastery of the conspiracy behind 9-11, see New Orleans as a diversionary tactic regarding said mastery, and the Iraq war..... well here's what I don't get. They show incredible organizational and managerial skills regarding 9-11 and the Katrina diversion, but can't find the time to plant one or two functional WMDs in the sands of Iraq?
or have anything to do with Occam's razor, I see.....
Everyone knows there is bias against poor black communities. Where is the the effort to clean up then?
It's been a while...how come? what's up? Is it that hard to clean up on home soil?
That's the part I dont get. Billions flying out the door to Iraq ....and N'orleans?...nope..
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way?
You really think you the US govt is just really a bunch of bumbling fools? .....really?
Why is it you think so many Americans still believe the WMD lie? You do know how propaganda works right. How seeds are planted firmly and boldly...then no so firm information is offered out of obligation on the side. How less the the entire story is offered to provide disinformation, confusion, and ultimately ....apathy?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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onelongsong wrote:it's being repeated saturday the 25th too. everyone should see this. it not only rebuffs conspiracy theories but shows how the information is being distorted. the most moving bit is when they show what this is doing to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11. it shows how sick and heartless people can be.
There's a entire 9/11 worth of death every single day (in comparison) in Iraq going on for almost 4 years now. What about that?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RainDog wrote:So rather than the New Orleans response being further evidence that this administration is completely incompetent - it's evidence of them playing incompetent to further divert attention away from their evil genius? Please. We have enough problems here without being tied into some overly complex mouse-trap of a conspiracy.
Funny, I heard about the uselessness of the reported WMDs - and where they came from - in
the media. The mainstream media.
Rather than look at the 9-11 response, the Katrina response, and the Iraq war and see an administration that's incompetent all around (with ample evidence) - I should see the mastery of the conspiracy behind 9-11, see New Orleans as a diversionary tactic regarding said mastery, and the Iraq war..... well here's what I don't get. They show incredible organizational and managerial skills regarding 9-11 and the Katrina diversion, but can't find the time to plant one or two functional WMDs in the sands of Iraq?
or have anything to do with Occam's razor, I see.....
then again; these reposnses you speak of have been the fastest in recorded history; considering the extent of the devastation. i clearly recall the government telling people to evacuate new orleans. i also recall people on the tele saying they won't leave. now if the government informs you to evacuate and you don't; how can you blame the government?
we know saddam had WMD because clinton gave them to him. mass graves proved he used the biologicals on entire villages.
the one thing conspiracy theorists have in common is they ignore facts that prove them wrong. they don't look at the situation with an open mind because they believe they already have the answer.0 -
RainDog wrote:So rather than the New Orleans response being further evidence that this administration is completely incompetent - it's evidence of them playing incompetent to further divert attention away from their evil genius? Please. We have enough problems here without being tied into some overly complex mouse-trap of a conspiracy.
Funny, I heard about the uselessness of the reported WMDs - and where they came from - in
the media. The mainstream media.
Rather than look at the 9-11 response, the Katrina response, and the Iraq war and see an administration that's incompetent all around (with ample evidence) - I should see the mastery of the conspiracy behind 9-11, see New Orleans as a diversionary tactic regarding said mastery, and the Iraq war..... well here's what I don't get. They show incredible organizational and managerial skills regarding 9-11 and the Katrina diversion, but can't find the time to plant one or two functional WMDs in the sands of Iraq?
or have anything to do with Occam's razor, I see.....
then again; these reposnses you speak of have been the fastest in recorded history; considering the extent of the devastation. i clearly recall the government telling people to evacuate new orleans. i also recall people on the tele saying they won't leave. now if the government informs you to evacuate and you don't; how can you blame the government?
we know saddam had WMD because clinton gave them to him. mass graves proved he used the biologicals on entire villages.
the one thing conspiracy theorists have in common is they ignore facts that prove them wrong. they don't look at the situation with an open mind because they believe they already have the answer.0 -
Largely tied up in bureaucracy or being sent to Iraq. That's the simple answer. Certainly it's more complicated than that - and I'm not completely ruling out class being a factor - but I don't see the response as a diversionary tactic. I don't think there was a meeting where Bush and Cheney basically said they would handle Katrina incompetently to be used as "proof" they didn't plan 9-11.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:Everyone knows there is bias against poor black communities. Where is the the effort to clean up then?
When tax dollars and personel are on foreign soil, yes it is.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:It's been a while...how come? what's up? Is it that hard to clean up on home soil?
No, you pretty much have it right here. Billions are flying out the door to Iraq, leaving less for national infrastructure.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:That's the part I dont get. Billions flying out the door to Iraq ....and N'orleans?...nope..
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way?
Currently? Yes I do.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:You really think you the US govt is just really a bunch of bumbling fools? .....really?
I know how propaganda works. I also know that on all sides of an issue, people will believe what they want to believe - even to the point of intentionally lying to themselves. Why do people believe the WMD lie? Because they will support Bush no matter what, and choose to believe it.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:Why is it you think so many Americans still believe the WMD lie? You do know how propaganda works right. How seeds are planted firmly and boldly...then no so firm information is offered out of obligation on the side. How less the the entire story is offered to provide disinformation, confusion, and ultimately ....apathy?0 -
For those people, no. But those weren't the only ones who stayed - not even close. As for the response time, you can sit on top of your mountain and judge the ignorant fools for being washed away in the deluge all you want. Perhaps you saw what you wanted to from your Noah-like vantage point, but from where I was sitting, things looked a lot different.onelongsong wrote:then again; these reposnses you speak of have been the fastest in recorded history; considering the extent of the devastation. i clearly recall the government telling people to evacuate new orleans. i also recall people on the tele saying they won't leave. now if the government informs you to evacuate and you don't; how can you blame the government?
Clinton was president in the 1980's?onelongsong wrote:we know saddam had WMD because clinton gave them to him. mass graves proved he used the biologicals on entire villages.
Just because you post something twice doesn't make it more credible. You sit up on your mountain in your isolation and continue to cheat on your taxes. I'll stay here and look my own personal ground zero in the eyes and decide for myself how things went - and how they're going.onelongsong wrote:the one thing conspiracy theorists have in common is they ignore facts that prove them wrong. they don't look at the situation with an open mind because they believe they already have the answer.0 -
RainDog wrote:Largely tied up in bueracracy or being sent to Iraq. That's the simple answer.
When tax dollars and personel are on foreign soil, yes it is.
No, you pretty much have it right here. Billions are flying out the door to Iraq, leaving less for national infrastructure.
Currently? Yes I do.
I know how propaganda works. I also know that on all sides of an issue, people will believe what they want to believe - even to the point of intentionally lying to themselves. Why do people believe the WMD lie? Because they will support Bush no matter what, and choose to believe it.
So you really think not even 100 extra people in the military are able to help out in all of America, or be transferred from bases around the world...in say.. peaceful areas?
Very interesting.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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onelongsong wrote:the one thing conspiracy theorists have in common is they ignore facts that prove them wrong. they don't look at the situation with an open mind because they believe they already have the answer.
i have actually revised my "theories" over time to better conform with logic, and evidence.
witness: i no longer necessarily support the notion that explosives were used to take down the trade towers (1,2, or 7) OR that a missle hit the pentagon ...
... but i do pose severe question as to what the administration knew, allowed to happen, possibly aided in happening (by way of abbeting funding, obstructing justice, and creating subterfuge for the event of the day) and subsequently lied to congress and the public about.
I once again would direct attention to this, and ask why no one on the board feels compelled to talk about these issues.
You don't think it's important that every administration official of any importance is caught on tape lying about what they did or didn't know? Condoleeza in front of the congressional committee flat out purging herself?
WATCH THIS, AND RESPOND
What is the significance of that?
There is no implication of a deeper lie?
They can't even admit that they knew ...
why not?
Because they not only LET it happen,
they ENSURED it happened.
And then they acted swiftly and deliberately in response ... straight after the oil, and after strategic positioning for war with Iran, and then later China and Russia (just you wait, people, just you wait).
"The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources where there are democratic governments."
- Dick Cheney, HALLIBURTON CEO, 1996 - Petroleum Finance Week, April 1, 1996 [as cited in The Bush Agenda: Invading The World, One Economy At A Time]
"Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas - reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." - Kenneth T. Der, CEO, Chevron, 1998 [Condoleeza was on the Chevron BOARD OF DIRECTORS until the day before she accepted nomination in bush's cabinet - Press Release Saying So From Chevron Itself ]
"WE hope Iraq will be the first dominio and that Libya and Iran will follow. We don't like being kept out of markets becaus it gives our competitors an unfair advantage." -- John Gibson, CEO, HALLIBURTON ESG, 2003
[all quotes pulled merely from chapter headings of the excellent book: The Bush Agenda ]
"The Bush administration itself represents the first time in history that the president, vice president, and secretary of state are all former energy company officials. In fact, the only other US president to come from the oil and gas industry was Bush's father. - The Bush Agenda - Page 6 Para 1 ]
"Lockheed Martin, the country's largest military contractor and the world's largest arms exporter, has also played a lead role, with no fewer than SIXTEEN current and past company officials having held positions within the Bush administration." - same amazing damn book, same page, paragraph 3
"Between 2003 and 2004 alone, the value of US imports of Iraqi oil INCREASED BY EIGHTY SIX PERCENT and then increased again in the first three quarters of 2005." - The Bush Agenda Page 8 - Citing The US Dept. of Commerce 2005
Do you not see CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND CRAZY RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE AT THIS POINT?
They were going in to Iraq goddamnit.
They just needed SOMETHING, ANYTHING to give them an excuse ... Well they got ther "new pearl harbor" alright.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?0
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