Clinton to GARNISH WAGES......

binauralsounds
binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crazy bitch!


WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    She also said in last weeks debate that Universal Healthcare was a fundamental RIGHT.

    I fucking wanted to puke when i heard that.

    IT IS NOT YOUR FUCKING RIGHT TO STEAL MY MONEY, TO SUBSIDIZE SOME ONE ELSE, YOU STUPID *#$%!

    No one has as fucking RIGHT to put someone else on the hook for YOUR needs.

    AINT NO RIGHT!

    These people (all the candidates minus Ron Paul) DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. They want as much of your fucking money as they can manage, and they just want you to work as long and hard as possible to fund their fucking coffers.

    You think wage garnishment for UHC is bad, wait until you see their carbon tax plans! TALK ABOUT BULLSHIT!
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Wow. Like really doing like European countries have done for decades. That fascist! :)

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  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    She also said in last weeks debate that Universal Healthcare was a fundamental RIGHT.

    I fucking wanted to puke when i heard that.

    IT IS NOT YOUR FUCKING RIGHT TO STEAL MY MONEY, TO SUBSIDIZE SOME ONE ELSE, YOU STUPID *#$%!

    No one has as fucking RIGHT to put someone else on the hook for YOUR needs.

    AINT NO RIGHT!

    These people (all the candidates minus Ron Paul) DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. They want as much of your fucking money as they can manage, and they just want you to work as long and hard as possible to fund their fucking coffers.

    You think wage garnishment for UHC is bad, wait until you see their carbon tax plans! TALK ABOUT BULLSHIT!

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! Let that bitch try to STEAL my money! Talk about a revolution. That crazy bitch better be careful!!!!!!
    Her statement to possibly GARNISH your wages should be a fucking NO BRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That crazy bitch WANTS YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    of course you don't like your free tickets taken away.. but they will be, one way or the other. Either by design - or by chaos. The choice belongs to the millions of misinformed voters.
  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Wow. Like really doing like European countries have done for decades. That fascist! :)

    Peace
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Wow. Like really doing like European countries have done for decades. That fascist! :)

    Peace
    Dan

    I'm glad you like your socialist hand outs, and your free lunches, which you pay out the ass for via taxes.

    I'm glad you are happy getting less for more, and being told that it is what is best.

    Honestly, Europe DOES have a lot figured out. They are WAY ahead of the ball on environmental issues and on city planning concerning livability & transportation, and lord knows their agriculture\food system is more wholesome ...

    that being said, none of those things really have anything to do with centralized socialist planning, so much as they do with the early arival of resource scarcity to the european continent VS. the US more abundant supply, the rail infrastucture that existed in europe and the fact that most european cities predated cars and therefore could not easily be reotrofited to function like big nasty sprawled american cities ... and the density\layout of european cities ... in otherwords FREE MARKET FORCES determined most of what was good in Europe, not the central government.

    But i'm glad you take stock in your happy socialist world.
    I've never been to Norway, but i made it to Holland, and everyone was quite congenial and very nice. Hell they even felt bad for us poor Americans.
    But i still don't fancy socialisim, and i sure am glad you won't be voting over here!

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  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    My good friend in Germany fucking HATES the healthcare system there. Having lived there myself for years along with my German wife, I've seen how it USED to be.
    Hearing stories of how it is now is pretty fucked up.

    I'll stick to our current system we have here.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    yeah it's pretty much fundemental behind anything done by the government. Taxes are garnished wages, we allow them (albiet at the point of a gun) because "our representatives" have determined it is necessary to maintain society.

    I just don't get this FORCED Insurance idea. Um. Insurance the way it is right now, isn't good to begin with. All it does is essentially negociate you a more reasonable price to pay because Insurance companies have essentially destroyed competition and they set the price of care. Her plan isn't anything like idealized socialized healthcare at all. Instead of most people having shitty insurance....everyone has shitty insurance.... She can go jump off a cliff with that idiotic plan. Sounds more like she's in bed with insurance companies.

    Even then it still dosen't stop the problem of too many people coming in for every little thing. I see where she's trying to go with it. But it still dosen't work. Letting the consumer negociate the majority of healthcare and moving insurance back to the high level where it always should have remained is the only way to get health care back to reasonable prices. Same as everything else..... Competition.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I guess we could start to turn people without credit cards away at the emergency room.. let the poor whither away and die.. or we can also start killing them... If you can't put in a good 10 hour day.. then you die.
  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I guess we could start to turn people without credit cards away at the emergency room.. let the poor whither away and die.. or we can also start killing them... If you can't put in a good 10 hour day.. then you die.

    WOW! Dunno what's crazier... her garnishing wages or your statement.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    say bye bye to the nomination
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I guess we could start to turn people without credit cards away at the emergency room.. let the poor whither away and die.. or we can also start killing them... If you can't put in a good 10 hour day.. then you die.


    nah, There should be care available like a reduced price or free clinic what have you it's just not going to work best for the majority of people because it's always going to be full. Almost every major city I know has a stuggling inner city hospital due largely for treating people with no ability to pay, the government is already picking up that tab, they might as well just publicise it as a program. No need to BS red tape the hell out of it or call it medicaid and give it 10 stories of buracracy, just make it a place people can come get healthcare if they need it.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    jlew24asu wrote:
    say bye bye to the nomination

    Might be a little too late to get this out for enough people to get in their minds. If it's all over CNN and MSNBC tonight it might have somewhat of an impact. I'd take ANYTHING for her to lose the nomination.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    binauralsounds wrote:
    UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Crazy bitch!


    WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

    The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31

    That is absolutely the worst possible way to improve our healthcare situation. REQUIRING people to purchase something - ie essentially adding more exclusive layers to the health insurance monopoly we already have - will do more damage.
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  • BinFrog
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    binauralsounds wrote:
    My good friend in Germany fucking HATES the healthcare system there. Having lived there myself for years along with my German wife, I've seen how it USED to be.
    Hearing stories of how it is now is pretty fucked up.

    I'll stick to our current system we have here.

    BS...born and raised....gma and uncle still live there...my Gma gets incredible care.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Both CLintons....Hillary and Bill...are slime. In just about every aspect. Slime. The thought that you should force someone to buy Health Care (because you know what's good for them) is a typical Dem move. Bunch of crap. If you make it affordable and they don't do anything about it...so be it.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    BS...born and raised....gma and uncle still live there...my Gma gets incredible care.

    do they go to the same hospital? live in the same region? while the concept of Universal HC might sound like that, it just might not be.
  • michaelcassio
    michaelcassio Posts: 72
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yeah it's pretty much fundemental behind anything done by the government. Taxes are garnished wages, we allow them (albiet at the point of a gun) because "our representatives" have determined it is necessary to maintain society.

    I just don't get this FORCED Insurance idea. Um. Insurance the way it is right now, isn't good to begin with. All it does is essentially negociate you a more reasonable price to pay because Insurance companies have essentially destroyed competition and they set the price of care. Her plan isn't anything like idealized socialized healthcare at all. Instead of most people having shitty insurance....everyone has shitty insurance.... She can go jump off a cliff with that idiotic plan. Sounds more like she's in bed with insurance companies.

    Even then it still dosen't stop the problem of too many people coming in for every little thing. I see where she's trying to go with it. But it still dosen't work. Letting the consumer negociate the majority of healthcare and moving insurance back to the high level where it always should have remained is the only way to get health care back to reasonable prices. Same as everything else..... Competition.

    exactly. listen, i'm no patriotic chauvinist, but there is simply something un-american about being forced by the government to buy healthcare. does hillary clinton know what's best for me? no. i'm lucky enough to have healthcare right now and the reason i have it is because my parents worked hard to make enough money so that i would be covered (although i will soon be paying for myself). they didn't sit around and wait for a hand-out from the government.

    i'm living in spain right now and i've been talking with a lot of spanish citizens recently about the issue of socialized healthcare. first of all, all of them pay high taxes to subsidize the system and at the same time, they also pay an insurance company to have private care. why? because the private care is much quicker and of better quality. also, since EVERYONE is covered by the socialized system (illegal immigrants and unemployed included) illegal immigration is a huge problem and the unemployed don't have as much incintive to become employed. we are obviously already having illegal immigration problems in the states and a universal healthcare system could only exacerbate this issue. maybe i'm looking too far ahead on this one, but we need to be very very careful about sliding into a new healthcare system.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    michaelcassio wrote:
    exactly. listen, i'm no patriotic chauvinist, but there is simply something un-american about being forced by the government to buy healthcare. does hillary clinton know what's best for me? no. i'm lucky enough to have healthcare right now and the reason i have it is because my parents worked hard to make enough money so that i would be covered (although i will soon be paying for myself). they didn't sit around and wait for a hand-out from the government.

    In a system like the one the US has where no one is forced to pay into the system how do you deal with people with no coverage who need essential medical attention? I mean lets say there is a person, with no insurance, who is in a car accident and is brought to a hospital unconscious, has surgery but never wakes up and after 10 days in ICU he dies. This person would be getting 1000's of dollars or free health care all because he has no insurance, and it is not like they can bill him once he is dead. Personally I would much rather live in a society where I know odds are the person coming into the hospital has at least contributed to the health care system through taxes. I mean it is not like an ambulance would check his wallet and then just leave him by the road if he had no insurance card.

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