Clinton to GARNISH WAGES......
binauralsounds
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UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crazy bitch!
WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.
The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31
Crazy bitch!
WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.
The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31
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I fucking wanted to puke when i heard that.
IT IS NOT YOUR FUCKING RIGHT TO STEAL MY MONEY, TO SUBSIDIZE SOME ONE ELSE, YOU STUPID *#$%!
No one has as fucking RIGHT to put someone else on the hook for YOUR needs.
AINT NO RIGHT!
These people (all the candidates minus Ron Paul) DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. They want as much of your fucking money as they can manage, and they just want you to work as long and hard as possible to fund their fucking coffers.
You think wage garnishment for UHC is bad, wait until you see their carbon tax plans! TALK ABOUT BULLSHIT!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! Let that bitch try to STEAL my money! Talk about a revolution. That crazy bitch better be careful!!!!!!
Her statement to possibly GARNISH your wages should be a fucking NO BRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That crazy bitch WANTS YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We ain't in Kansas Toto!
I'm glad you like your socialist hand outs, and your free lunches, which you pay out the ass for via taxes.
I'm glad you are happy getting less for more, and being told that it is what is best.
Honestly, Europe DOES have a lot figured out. They are WAY ahead of the ball on environmental issues and on city planning concerning livability & transportation, and lord knows their agriculture\food system is more wholesome ...
that being said, none of those things really have anything to do with centralized socialist planning, so much as they do with the early arival of resource scarcity to the european continent VS. the US more abundant supply, the rail infrastucture that existed in europe and the fact that most european cities predated cars and therefore could not easily be reotrofited to function like big nasty sprawled american cities ... and the density\layout of european cities ... in otherwords FREE MARKET FORCES determined most of what was good in Europe, not the central government.
But i'm glad you take stock in your happy socialist world.
I've never been to Norway, but i made it to Holland, and everyone was quite congenial and very nice. Hell they even felt bad for us poor Americans.
But i still don't fancy socialisim, and i sure am glad you won't be voting over here!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Hearing stories of how it is now is pretty fucked up.
I'll stick to our current system we have here.
I just don't get this FORCED Insurance idea. Um. Insurance the way it is right now, isn't good to begin with. All it does is essentially negociate you a more reasonable price to pay because Insurance companies have essentially destroyed competition and they set the price of care. Her plan isn't anything like idealized socialized healthcare at all. Instead of most people having shitty insurance....everyone has shitty insurance.... She can go jump off a cliff with that idiotic plan. Sounds more like she's in bed with insurance companies.
Even then it still dosen't stop the problem of too many people coming in for every little thing. I see where she's trying to go with it. But it still dosen't work. Letting the consumer negociate the majority of healthcare and moving insurance back to the high level where it always should have remained is the only way to get health care back to reasonable prices. Same as everything else..... Competition.
WOW! Dunno what's crazier... her garnishing wages or your statement.
nah, There should be care available like a reduced price or free clinic what have you it's just not going to work best for the majority of people because it's always going to be full. Almost every major city I know has a stuggling inner city hospital due largely for treating people with no ability to pay, the government is already picking up that tab, they might as well just publicise it as a program. No need to BS red tape the hell out of it or call it medicaid and give it 10 stories of buracracy, just make it a place people can come get healthcare if they need it.
Might be a little too late to get this out for enough people to get in their minds. If it's all over CNN and MSNBC tonight it might have somewhat of an impact. I'd take ANYTHING for her to lose the nomination.
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That is absolutely the worst possible way to improve our healthcare situation. REQUIRING people to purchase something - ie essentially adding more exclusive layers to the health insurance monopoly we already have - will do more damage.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
IRS Guy: Krusty, this is America. We don't send our celebrities to jail. We're just going to garnish your salary.
Krusty: Garnish my celery?!
IRS Guy: Please, Krusty, no jokes!
Krusty: Who's Joking?! Oh, I don't understand what you're saying, it all sounds so crazy to me.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
BS...born and raised....gma and uncle still live there...my Gma gets incredible care.
do they go to the same hospital? live in the same region? while the concept of Universal HC might sound like that, it just might not be.
exactly. listen, i'm no patriotic chauvinist, but there is simply something un-american about being forced by the government to buy healthcare. does hillary clinton know what's best for me? no. i'm lucky enough to have healthcare right now and the reason i have it is because my parents worked hard to make enough money so that i would be covered (although i will soon be paying for myself). they didn't sit around and wait for a hand-out from the government.
i'm living in spain right now and i've been talking with a lot of spanish citizens recently about the issue of socialized healthcare. first of all, all of them pay high taxes to subsidize the system and at the same time, they also pay an insurance company to have private care. why? because the private care is much quicker and of better quality. also, since EVERYONE is covered by the socialized system (illegal immigrants and unemployed included) illegal immigration is a huge problem and the unemployed don't have as much incintive to become employed. we are obviously already having illegal immigration problems in the states and a universal healthcare system could only exacerbate this issue. maybe i'm looking too far ahead on this one, but we need to be very very careful about sliding into a new healthcare system.
In a system like the one the US has where no one is forced to pay into the system how do you deal with people with no coverage who need essential medical attention? I mean lets say there is a person, with no insurance, who is in a car accident and is brought to a hospital unconscious, has surgery but never wakes up and after 10 days in ICU he dies. This person would be getting 1000's of dollars or free health care all because he has no insurance, and it is not like they can bill him once he is dead. Personally I would much rather live in a society where I know odds are the person coming into the hospital has at least contributed to the health care system through taxes. I mean it is not like an ambulance would check his wallet and then just leave him by the road if he had no insurance card.
if a patient comes into the emergency room and requires immediate medical attention, the hospital is required by law to give him/her that attention regardless of his insurance status. what happens to the bill? i honestly dont know and i see your point. however, situations such as this are not causing hospital bankruptcies, as far as i know, so the bill is rather unimportant. i would like to see how many cases such as this there are. i mean, we could play "what if" all day.
My point was most a lot of people seem to feel that I pay for my health care so why should I pay for someone elses. If you need emergency attention and you can't pay the bill (or you die before you pay the bill), then other people arew paying your bill so it kind of defeats that argument.
who else is paying the bill?
Everyone else who uses the hospital or has insurance. I doubt a hospital would just eat the cost of a bunch of medical care they handed out. So they would have to make enough money from everyone else to cover the people who can't or don't pay.
right, but this wouldn't cause my insurance bill to go up. i pay the same every month, regardless of how many emergency treatments are administered to uninsured patients. i dont know the system well enough to tell you exactly how that bill is covered. i'll leave that to the hospital (and whatever insurance company may be involved) to figure out.
I think it would be the same as if someone had no car insurance, in the long run if people keep getting in car accidents with no insurance the system has to absorb those costs and passes those costs onto everyone else. I mean most places won't let you drive around without car insurance, since why should other people have to pay if you mess up, so why should it be any different for health? The idea that one person not having health insurance won't have an affect on anyone else is ridiculous.
exactly, why should others have to pay if you mess up? your right, if you dont have car insurance (or can't afford it) you shouldn't be driving around. if you don't have health insurance (or can't afford it) you need to be very careful in the way you conduct yourself on a daily basis (eat healthy, don't take any physical risks, etc...). i realize that this isn't quite fair because what if someon else is the cause of your trip to the hospital? well, the insurance of that other person would then cover your medical bills, just as the car insurance of the person causing the accident pays for the damage of the cars. his insurance bills will probably go up, but it was his fault so this is only fair.
Actually it is more because of interplay between authorities and the market. Kings way back in time has decided where cities are situated today. Cities grew up under strict rules from the monarchs. I have heard from other people that always attribute everything good to the market and everything bad to the state, when the reality is that both good and bad are results of the interplay between the two. Dividing it up is strictly an opinion/ideological matter. Europe is much denser populated, which is why stuff is more organized and figured out over here in regards to environment and living arrangements. They have to be. But Europe (or anywhere for that matter) have never been subject to exclusively the free market. No, never the US either.
Not to worry. My vote would probably just be wasted on Kucinich, since few of you seem to care for him..
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
In a perfect world Kucinich would be the VP on a Paul\Kucinich ticket.
I know the two are close personal friends.
If I opened it now would you not understand?