Gun Debate

Songburst wrote:

The problem is that 99% of handgun owners think that they own a gun to protect themselves when they are more often than not putting themselves in more danger than if they didn't own the gun.

So what of the 800,000 to 2 million who use privately owned firearms to defend themselves from becoming victims of crime every year?

redrock wrote:

Do you honestly think that the 'creator' of the firearm designed it for clay pigeon shooting? It is an item that was designed to maim and kill (humans or animals). The sporting and gaming aspect of shooting came after. So yes.. these are a 'bonus'. Baseball bats were created to hit balls during a game.. another purpose is bashing someone's head in.. a 'bonus' if you could call it that..

Think of the initial purpose of an object, then any other use that people 'discovered' for it is additional - a bonus.....

For each individual object, I am not saying it is right or wrong to use it differently to its intended purpose.....

whoa whoa... the spear was invented to kill... when was the last time you've seen a news report on someone getting killed by a spear? This whole gun thing is just a fad, give a few centuries and a new invention and this whole "gun" thing will take care of itself.

(joke)

soulsinging wrote:

you just keep getting cooler.

rock star
medical miracle
life-saving gunman
lawyer with impeccable trial lawyer
crusader for white rights on your daughter's behalf

im sick of your laziness dude, why don't you stop dicking around and cure aids already?

thats fucking funny... have a gold star Soul

I guess my relationship with guns has always been nonexistent. What I mean is that I can take them or leave them. I have never been all that interested in them...in owning one myself...but I don't mind other people owning them. I also wouldn't mind if noone owned them. I like them in movies but I like many things in movies that I wouldn't want anything to do with in real life.

I don't know. I can see the anti-gun side of the coin but I always seem to focus on the human aspect. When I think about VT I don't really think about the guns themselves. Instead I think about the fucked up kid who used them to kill 32 people.

tooferz wrote:

this doesn't reflect my opinion...it just kinda fit in here. from a local news site yesterday......

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Homeowner Shot By Own Gun In Home Invasion

Posted By: Neil Relyea
A Fairfield Township man is recovering after being shot by his own gun.

Investigators say someone broke into his home on Milton Street.

Police say the homeowner, Douglas Wright, was sleeping on the couch with his handgun sitting on the coffee table.

When the intruder saw the gun, he grabbed it and shot Wright in the shoulder.

"People have the right to have a handgun in their home for their own protection," said Fairfield Twp. Police Chief Richard St. John.

"Whether it was the smartest thing to have a gun sitting out on the coffee table, right next to him, while he fell asleep on the couch," said St. John. "That's another story."

Detectives are still looking for the suspect.

They say he didn't steal anything from the house.

Police say Wright was treated and released from the hospital.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=156027c4-3696-4085-8fc9-b365f175a156

Oops.. so much for responsible gun owning and a gun keeping you safe....

I think one cannot fail but understand that the intruder, committing the crime, did not have a gun with him... So one could argue that this would have been one less shooting if guns were not readily available to the general, law abiding, citizen.....

69charger wrote:

Eat it.

man, I loved that Weird Al song....

This is actual quite simple although it gets caught up in so many petty arguments...

Human nature - yes there are people that are on the margins of society or feel disassociated, angry or mentally unstable, there always has been there always will be. Fact is we do little to address this and reality is we would never totally irradicate it even if we tried harder, it's here to stay

Guns - are made for killing, whichever way you look at it whether it's hunting, competitions, crime whatever, that is their primary function. There is no other "product" which is so singularly designed for this purpose and available for public consumption.

Combine the two and you have a powder keg ready to go off at any moment, knifes, cars etc stupid arguments, they are designed for other functions and could be abused yes, so could anything, you could effectively make a weapon out of anything you choose, desist in this argument it only exaggerates your stupidity.

Any society that allows such easy access to guns is always going to suffer the way that America does with this. If they are so stupid that they can't bring in a system to better restrict access or take guns off the streets then leave them to it. They obviously can't learn anything from the rest of the world, and don't want to.

Guns are unfortuneatley used to settle things when all logic and intellect has failed, somewhat like the argument that "it's our constitutional right".

And as for rednecks... I would have thought listening to a little Skynyrd may have helped "hand guns are made for killing, ain't no good for nuthin else"...

jeffbr wrote:

What sweet irony, then, that they became the tools with which to overthrow tyrany.

tell that to the people in the Sudan or in Rwanda a few years back...

guns were invented to kill... not protect freedom... thats an "inalienable" fact