My little Obama "claim to fame"

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    ledvedderman wrote:
    This might help jlew

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm
    I was about to post the exact same site, but you beat me to it.

    jlew, according to On the Issues, he's a populist leaning liberal on the left side of moderate. From more than just his voting record, however, he earns the label "moderate" because of his willingness to work with those on the right for mutual gain.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    ledvedderman wrote:
    If you don't think the ship is sinking than maybe you just aren't opening your eyes wide enough. There isn't a lot going on in America right now to give people much pride in this country.

    In your opinion? Or what?

    Just call me an idiot if you want.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Because 95% of the voters are ignorant doesn't make it OK. I don't care what the "experts" on TV say. That's my opinion. Voting because of looks and speach is silly. Voting because you know where a candidate stands on issues is mere sanity.


    I don't disagree with that at all... unfortunately as our recent past indicate, voting is mostly about looks and charisma. I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is today.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    That's not a voting record.

    This is a voting record.

    http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017
    Actually, both sites list his voting record there, Mr. C. Dundee.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    In your opinion? Or what?

    Just call me an idiot if you want.

    I think when only 33% of the country approves of the job the President is doing, and when only 26% approve of the way his mess of a war is effecting our country, that leads me to believe the ship is sinking.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    The only problem is that us intelligent folks don't care how he speaks. We look at his voting record.
    Don't be too sure about that. Every opinion poll during the Reagan administration showed that the majority of the public disagreed with most of what Reagan was promoting, but they LOVED Ronnie.

    I'm pretty sure that if Obama wins, I won't have an "Obama-isms" calendar on my desk, and that's a step in the right direction :D
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    This might help jlew

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

    thanks vedd

    I like his stance on many issues, accept his policies on the economy and tax cuts. I disagree with him but, you're right, its time for change in this country. a breath of fresh air if you will. his inexperience bothers me however.

    this was interesting...
    We must make sure that Iraq is stable having gone in there. (Oct 2004)

    Bush is trying to do this same thing and being crucified for it.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    RainDog wrote:
    Actually, both sites list his voting record there, Mr. C. Dundee.

    Good Lord, can't even be happy with the information given to him.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Y
    12/16/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization N

    I gotta step out, but when I get back i'm gonna have to read up on these.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Good Lord, can't even be happy with the information given to him.

    Don't you understand yet that all I want to do is kill people? To hell with information.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:

    Bush is trying to do this same thing and being crucified for it.
    That's a broad statement, and there were significant disagreements over the "how." You also have to realize that was over two years ago. Though I still think it's a disagreement over the how, the overall outlook is a lot different now than it was two years ago.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    MrBrian wrote:
    03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Y
    12/16/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization N

    I gotta step out, but when I get back i'm gonna have to read up on these.

    I find that quite interesting, and would be interested in knowing why 3 months later he changed the vote. I DON'T think it's about being a Presidential candidate because 10 months ago, I can assure you he wasn't planning on running for President. I think the last round of stumping for other candidates across the country really made him think hard about it.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    That's a broad statement, and there were significant disagreements over the "how." You also have to realize that was over two years ago. Though I still think it's a disagreement over the how, the overall outlook is a lot different now than it was two years ago.
    I would love to know "how" Obama would accomplish this.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I find that quite interesting, and would be interested in knowing why 3 months later he changed the vote.

    I rest my case. You practically raised the man and you, well... I'll just be an idiot.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Don't you understand yet that all I want to do is kill people? To hell with information.

    All I want to do is kill too. I think those flying squirrels really need to go. They're number one on my list. Squirrels are not supposed to fly, so I am going to kill them all.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    I rest my case. You practically raised the man and you, well... I'll just be an idiot.

    Practically raised the man? You are unreal.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    MrBrian wrote:
    03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Y
    12/16/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization N

    I gotta step out, but when I get back i'm gonna have to read up on these.

    I'm not entirely positive, but if I remember correctly the 2005 vote was to reauthorize the entire patriot act, and the 2006 vote was with some of the more controversial parts taken out.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    ledvedderman wrote:
    All I want to do is kill too. I think those flying squirrels really need to go. They're number one on my list. Squirrels are not supposed to fly, so I am going to kill them all.


    lol I was about to say something about squirrels. Maybe we're actually on the same page?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Practically raised the man? You are unreal.


    Well... Yes. You just told everyone how close you are to the man and you have no idea how the guy votes. The Patriot Act wasn't exactly an obscure piece of legislation.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    lol I was about to say something about squirrels. Maybe we're actually on the same page?

    Well that's just about the damn craziest thing ever. I tried to be as random as I could, guess I wasnt random enough
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