Did Obama just forget he knew the guy??

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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Either that or I'm writing in Kucinich. :)
    I'm very happy to see there are still some people with values...wtg Abook :)

    I remember Nader saying once that if you don't vote for him then vote for Kucinich. Too bad he basically got bullied out of this race. Guess Nader doesn't have to worry about losing his seat in congress though so hopefully he'll get some shit rolling and get some support. It's good to have someone to vote for again..
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    I'm very happy to see there are still some people with values...wtg Abook :)

    Yes, it is nice to see! We were starting to feel kinda lonely here lately. :)

    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    I remember Nader saying once that if you don't vote for him then vote for Kucinich. Too bad he basically got bullied out of this race. Guess Nader doesn't have to worry about losing his seat in congress though so hopefully he'll get some shit rolling and get some support. It's good to have someone to vote for again..

    I hated how they dodged his points and were too cowardly to be direct on their stances during the debates. Dennis has such integrity. I've always respected Nader, too. His heart's always been with the good fight.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    He's not but he's not supporting Obama, either.(I'm answering bc he's not here) Just pointing out how there's not much difference in the two. Also, it seems odd how so many here are quick to dish out the dirty on hillary and prefer to keep Obama's under the rug and go unspoken of. If this same piece would have been about hillary, there would have been a field day here of 'that slimey bitch' posts. Both seem pretty slimey to me so why focus on just one?


    these things are meaningless, he's got it where it counts; he's a good, motivational speaker, he's of a good, acceptable height and he probably eats meat
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    They both scare me, but Hillary will have Bill in the White House, and Bill did a decent job of working with Republicans.

    Except for that whole impeachment thing ...
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    tybird wrote:
    We're back to that lesser of two evils thing.....He actually stands a chance of bringing some unification to the body politic.....she, on the other hand, would continue this political war that is dividing us as a nation. It's true that both are typical politicians in many ways....slime factor,etc. She just has a greater slime factor...in fact, she's a female Dick Cheney IMHO.


    isn't choosing the lesser of 2 evils still choosing an 'evil'?

    its kinda like that south park episode; vote the shit sandwich or the giant douche and how some, not saying you, get all mad and take it personal or something if you don't vote the way they think everyone should

    i don't see much difference in him, sorry
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    cornnifer wrote:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/29/171056/015/838/445627

    i love this:
    The truth: Rezko attached himself to lots of politicians. Rezko donated money to every major Democratic politician in Illinois, then helped organize a $3.5 million fundraiser for President George W. Bush in 2003. After giving large campaign donations to Democratic Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, Rezko arranged to have his buddies appointed by Blagojevich to state boards such as the Teachers’ Retirement System Board and the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. With his friend Stuart Levine, Rezko threatened to hold up a $220 million deal to invest teachers’ pension fund money unless $2 million was paid to Levine or $1.5 million was donated to Blagojevich’s campaign.


    oh, it's just he that he gave money to lots of politicians *kinda like abramof??)

    and this

    The truth: The common definition of a favor in this context is a political action done in exchange for donations. Rezko’s lawyer reported that Rezko had not asked Obama to write the letter. Instead, Obama (along with a local state representative and an alderman) endorsed the project because it had widespread community support.

    now back to my original point....he was also on his campaign finance committee and had a fundraiser for him...he wrote a letter of endorsement as YOUR article claims in exchange for these campaign donations, which he later gave to charity and the guy was later indicted for bribing politicians...

    then explain why his version here doesn't sound anything like reality????

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/us/politics/21demdebate-transcript.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

    about 1/3 of the way down:

    BLITZER: I'm going to go to Suzanne Malveaux in a second, but I just want to give you a chance, Senator Obama, if you want to respond. Senator Clinton made a serious allegation that you worked for a slumlord. And I wonder if you want to respond.

    OBAMA: I'm happy to respond. Here's what happened: I was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with this individual to do a project and I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project. That's what she's referring to.

    Now, it's fine for her to throw that out, but the larger reason that I think this debate is important is because we do have to trust our leaders and what they say. That is important, because if we can't, then we're not going to be able to mobilize the American people behind bringing about changes in health care reform, bringing about changes in how we're going to put people back to work, changing our trade laws. And consistency matters. Truthfulness during campaigns makes a difference.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    cornnifer wrote:
    Oh, please. The Obama/Rezko thing is distorted and blown way out of proportion. Its crap, really. If you care to take a look i provided plenty of information outlining its crapishness. Why do you think hillary cunton dropped this attack like a hot fucking rock? Because its bullshit! Look at the links i provided and then let's all shut the fuck up about it.


    regardless, it is a bit more of a relationship than "5 hours of work as an associate at a law firm..." that he gave as an answer to his relationship w/ rezko, riiiiiiight?

    and the main feeling i got reading those articles was "well, shit, if obama and rezko say it ain't so....!"
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    cornnifer wrote:
    a little something more:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us


    from your article:
    "Obama has since returned about $85,000 in campaign contributions made or raised by Rezko."

    when asked of his relationship at a debate:
    "I was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with this individual to do a project and I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project."
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    cornnifer wrote:
    Oh, please. The Obama/Rezko thing is distorted and blown way out of proportion. Its crap, really. If you care to take a look i provided plenty of information outlining its crapishness. Why do you think hillary cunton dropped this attack like a hot fucking rock? Because its bullshit! Look at the links i provided and then let's all shut the fuck up about it.


    Do you live in Illinois and know about what was done before he was famous? There are those of us who knew about him before he was on the national stage. I've known about him before 2007, have you? Take off the blinders.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    If this story had any legs at all Hillary would be hammering him on it daily. Have you seen her today? She's on the war path, do or die... she just compared Obama's talk of change to Bush's talk of change in Ohio today... "Look what 8 years of 'change' got us" "The american people got shafted..." She's desperate... this would be perfect for her but there isn't anything there.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MasterFramer wrote:
    If this story had any legs at all Hillary would be hammering him on it daily. Have you seen her today? She's on the war path, do or die... she just compared Obama's talk of change to Bush's talk of change in Ohio today... "Look what 8 years of 'change' got us" "The american people got shafted..." She's desperate... this would be perfect for her but there isn't anything there.

    She has brought it up and he just lied and wisked right by it. He'll lie and you guys will continue to eat it right up. It's obvious he's had a detailed past with this guy and on national tv he claimed to only have worked with the guy for 5 hours...misleading the public. He wasn't honest and at the very least played down his relations with him. Of course none of this will matter to you but if you guys are intent on painting a picture of this great beacon of change and hope...fresh air to the political spectrum then don't be surprised when others want to bring up things about him that look like more of the same old, same old, run of the mill politician who just happens to be young, black and great at motivational speaking. That's not enough to earn my vote and it's not enough to excuse the problems I have with his past and his record.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    MasterFramer wrote:
    If this story had any legs at all Hillary would be hammering him on it daily. Have you seen her today? She's on the war path, do or die... she just compared Obama's talk of change to Bush's talk of change in Ohio today... "Look what 8 years of 'change' got us" "The american people got shafted..." She's desperate... this would be perfect for her but there isn't anything there.

    she might not want to open up the debate about campaign contributions
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    She has brought it up and he just lied and wisked right by it. He'll lie and you guys will continue to eat it right up. It's obvious he's had a detailed past with this guy and on national tv he claimed to only have worked with the guy for 5 hours...misleading the public. He wasn't honest and at the very least played down his relations with him. Of course none of this will matter to you but if you guys are intent on painting a picture of this great beacon of change and hope...fresh air to the political spectrum then don't be surprised when others want to bring up things about him that look like more of the same old, same old, run of the mill politician who just happens to be young, black and great at motivational speaking. That's not enough to earn my vote and it's not enough to excuse the problems I have with his past and his record.

    Great dude... vote for McBush at least you know for sure we'll continue to be fucked :rolleyes:

    Other than you not believing him what evidence proves contrary to what you are saying?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Great dude... vote for McBush at least you know for sure we'll continue to be fucked :rolleyes:

    Other than you not believing him what evidence proves contrary to what you are saying?

    Dudette, actually and I'm not voting for McBush.

    There's plenty of evidence throughout this whole thread that points to Obama having dealings with Rezko that involved more than 5 hours of work one day. He wasn't honest about it and that kinda stuff matters to me. It doesn't seem to matter to you but to each their own.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Dudette, actually and I'm not voting for McBush.

    There's plenty of evidence throughout this whole thread that points to Obama having dealings with Rezko that involved more than 5 hours of work one day. He wasn't honest about it and that kinda stuff matters to me. It doesn't seem to matter to you but to each their own.

    Whom then Hillary?
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  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Whom then Hillary?

    It's in her signature!
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Whom then Hillary?

    As it stands, I'll either write in Kucinich or vote Nader. There's no one else in the race who I could vote for on good conscience.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    As it stands, I'll either write in Kucinich or vote Nader. There's no one else in the race who I could vote for on good conscience.

    great... give McBush more of a shot... awesome.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MasterFramer wrote:
    great... give McBush more of a shot... awesome.

    You and the rest of the flock get behind somebody worth supporting next time. You can't blame me for not going along with your bad choice.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You and the rest of the flock get behind somebody worth supporting next time. You can't blame me for not going along with your bad choice.

    My flock? How do you know what my intentions are for voting for Obama? Im not naive to think a career politician hasn’t had there brush ups with shady characters in their past. But Im also not dumb enough to sit back and make it easier for another fucking Bush to gain control of the White House.
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