I'm saying he knew the guy for more than just five hours of work! Geez you guys can't stand the fact that this guy is not the savior.
Where did Obama ever say that he didn't know him at all? In Illinois, a comment like that would be laughable. I started out on the bottom rung on a political campaign in southern Illinois, and even I knew who Tony Rezko was.
I'm not acting like he is the saviour. I'm defending someone I've worked with in the past in the Illinois Senate, and you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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If you read these replies people were claiming he only had five hours or work with him implying that he barely knew him. Obama has claimed that he couldn't remember details about the guy, and that he didn't know him. Better yet read the first paragraph of the OP.
I grew up right down the street from where he owned these properties. I voted for him for Senate. What has he done for the people of Illinois? Nothing.
Of course you make your point well when you find the need to drop the F-Bomb to guide your way.
If you read these replies people were claiming he only had five hours or work with him implying that he barely knew him. Obama has claimed that he couldn't remember details about the guy, and that he didn't know him. Better yet read the first paragraph of the OP.
I grew up right down the street from where he owned these properties. I voted for him for Senate. What has he done for the people of Illinois? Nothing.
Of course you make your point well when you find the need to drop the F-Bomb to guide your way.
The OP is referring to the debate where Clinton accused him of working with Tony Rezko. That's where he said the five hour comment.
There's nothing wrong with distancing yourself from someone has the background of Rezko. You guys are acting like Obama is jerking Rezko off whenever he opens his mouth. What do you want him to do? He donated the money from Rezko to a charity, said he made a mistake in the land deal, and came clean on working for a total of five hours on a project with ties to Rezko---not even him personally. All of those things together show that yes, there was some sort of relationship. It also shows that he is putting that behind him.
The OP is referring to the debate where Clinton accused him of working with Tony Rezko. That's where he said the five hour comment.
There's nothing wrong with distancing yourself from someone has the background of Rezko. You guys are acting like Obama is jerking Rezko off whenever he opens his mouth. What do you want him to do? He donated the money from Rezko to a charity, said he made a mistake in the land deal, and came clean on working for a total of five hours on a project with ties to Rezko---not even him personally. All of those things together show that yes, there was some sort of relationship. It also shows that he is putting that behind him.
There is, however, something wrong with being dishonest. There's no way after all the strings that tie these two together that he can say he only worked with the guy for 5 hours. He was covering his ass and frankly, that's a trait I'm tried of seeing in our elected officials. Why not be upfront with the american people? Because he, like most other politicians, figures what we don't know won't hurt us.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
My flock? How do you know what my intentions are for voting for Obama? Im not naive to think a career politician hasn’t had there brush ups with shady characters in their past. But Im also not dumb enough to sit back and make it easier for another fucking Bush to gain control of the White House.
the reason i believe you are voting for Obama is that on your post your location is Obama in 08.
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- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
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- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Who said anything about fear? Its common fucking sense McCain will keep us in perpetual war. Obama has said troops home by '09. You are hung up on this slum lord bullshit... While American kids are being blown up on portrol. But yeah let's talk about this real estate deal, or these nuclear power people cause that's more important than Americans getting limbs blown off. Think of them when you fuck write in Dennis, might as well vote for Micky fucking Mouse.
first, mcCain never said that he would keep teh US in perpetual war, secondly, Obama will NOT bring the troops home in 08. 3, who are you to tell anyone who they should vote for and make them feel that they are the reason that americans are getting their limbs blown up. you are doing the same thing that rep. do by saying if you elect a democrate the terriorist will attack.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Claim: Hillary Clinton during a debate denounced Obama for "representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago."
The truth: According to Factcheck.org, "Obama was associated with a law firm that represented the community groups working with Rezko on several deals. There's no evidence that Obama spent much time on them, and he never represented Rezko directly. So it was wrong for Clinton to say he was ‘representing ... Rezko.’ That's untrue." "
i'm done with this thread.
'what i'm basing it on is:
-he was on obama's campaign finance committee for senate
-he gave a fundraiser for obama's senate campaign at his house (is this the same house that was next door to obamas or another one?)
-he raised over $10,000 in donations for obama's senatorial campaign
-obama wrote him a letter of recommendation for his fundraising efforts
-raised even more money for obamas presidential campaign
-so far has given away over $80,000 tha rezko raised for obamas political career
sorry, but i highly dount this guy would raise over 10grand for his senate race and all the other points above and obama NEVER met him. doesn't it seem odd, especially for his senate race he wouldn't meet a guy who raised over 10grand for him??
i'm sure you'd just believe hillary if it were about here, riiiiiiight? oh, wait....i highly doubt you'd believe her and i think you know this
so drop the 'legal work' angle, he knew the guy, he was involved w/ him more than 5hrs of work on a legal case
and plz tell me what year i will be allowed to vote for who i actually like and believe in, ok? b/c supposedly we couldn't do it last time and now you're saying i can't do it this time, either....do ya think maybe in 2012 i won't have to be scared of a republican taking office so much that i am duty bound to vote for the democrat?
it reminds me of that simpsons episode where the aliens dress up like clinton and dole, then even after the US discovering they are space aliens one of them says "you only have a 2 party system here, you HAVE to vote for one of us!" then perot pops out saying to vote for him and everyone laughs at him then votes for one of the space aliens....that's exactly how you guys are acting
keep your shit sandwich and your giant douche, i'll actually vote for change
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
-he was on obama's campaign finance committee for senate
-he gave a fundraiser for obama's senate campaign at his house (is this the same house that was next door to obamas or another one?)
-he raised over $10,000 in donations for obama's senatorial campaign
-obama wrote him a letter of recommendation for his fundraising efforts
-raised even more money for obamas presidential campaign
-so far has given away over $80,000 tha rezko raised for obamas political career
sorry, but i highly dount this guy would raise over 10grand for his senate race and all the other points above and obama NEVER met him. doesn't it seem odd, especially for his senate race he wouldn't meet a guy who raised over 10grand for him??
i'm sure you'd just believe hillary if it were about here, riiiiiiight? oh, wait....i highly doubt you'd believe her and i think you know this
so drop the 'legal work' angle, he knew the guy, he was involved w/ him more than 5hrs of work on a legal case
and plz tell me what year i will be allowed to vote for who i actually like and believe in, ok? b/c supposedly we couldn't do it last time and now you're saying i can't do it this time, either....do ya think maybe in 2012 i won't have to be scared of a republican taking office so much that i am duty bound to vote for the democrat?
it reminds me of that simpsons episode where the aliens dress up like clinton and dole, then even after the US discovering they are space aliens one of them says "you only have a 2 party system here, you HAVE to vote for one of us!" then perot pops out saying to vote for him and everyone laughs at him then votes for one of the space aliens....that's exactly how you guys are acting
keep your shit sandwich and your giant douche, i'll actually vote for change
If you guys are going to crucify him over it, he should have just kept the money.
Just pointing out dishonesty, that's all. He really should have kept the money because it wouldn't have mattered to you guys one way or the other.
I would try to distance myself from the guy too if I were running for office. If him not being honest about knowing a shady guy is all you have against him...he's doing pretty good.
I would try to distance myself from the guy too if I were running for office. If him not being honest about knowing a shady guy is all you have against him...he's doing pretty good.
If you'd bothered to read this whole thread among others, you'd know that it isn't even close to the only problem I have with supporting him.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Didn't the whole Rezko thing come up when Obama said she was on the board at Wal Mart, and she fired back that he was working for Rezko? Well, he told the truth, he did about 5 hours of work for a company w/ dealings w/ Rezko. That's not a lie.
Has he collected money from him? Yes. You try and find any Chicago Democrat who hasn't. He did the right thing and returned the money. But as far as a working relationship, Obama was spot on with the 5 paid hours of work.
The land deal was a poor decision on his part and he has stated that time and time again. It isn't a big fucking deal though. It's not like he's got Rezko's dick in his mouth.
You bringing up Gov. Blagojevich though and the Rezko influence on him, and who the fuck cares? What's that have to do with Barack Obama. Rod Blagojevich is no Barack Obama by any stretch of the imagination.
i don't care, either, cos i never brought up gov blagojevich except where he was mention in an article.
he also wrote a letter of recommendation for him for his campaign work...he acted like he didn't really know the guy...imagine if there were a few links between hillary and jack abramoff like he worked on her senate campaign finance committee, had a fundraiser at his house, gave over $10,000, gave it back, wrote him a letter of recomendation for his fundraising efforts, then a few years later took another $70,000+ and gave that back,,,oh, and also worked on committees where rezko was being a slumlord but did....fuckall...except buy a pretty big house right next door and some land from his wife....
if all this happened w/ hillary you would not believe she just didn't really remember him or never really personally met him, you would see the bullshit w/ her while you give obama a free pass.
and it's not just about this issue that i won't fulfill my message pit duty to vote for obama, it's a lot of things like i already posted and others (like his economic advisor being the guy from citibank/group who called the treasury dept asking for help w/ enron) and all these things are just shrugged off and not really answered other than being told 'i don't care' by you guys
who he associates w/ reflects on his character, as does how honest he is about things...'what a breath of fresh air!!!', my ass!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and it's not just about this issue that i won't fulfill my message pit duty to vote for obama, it's a lot of things like i already posted and others (like his economic advisor being the guy from citibank/group who called the treasury dept asking for help w/ enron) and all these things are just shrugged off and not really answered other than being told 'i don't care' by you guys
Seriously. If people are gonna act like this guy is this great symbol of hope and change we've all been waiting for, I'm going to have to call them on it. I don't care how pissy the fanatics get. If they had a leg to stand on then they could engage in civil discourse and rationally discuss our differences instead of acting so angry whenever a dissenting point is brought up about poor bama britches.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Seriously. If people are gonna act like this guy is this great symbol of hope and change we've all been waiting for, I'm going to have to call them on it. I don't care how pissy the fanatics get. If they had a leg to stand on then they could engage in civil discourse and rationally discuss our differences instead of acting so angry whenever a dissenting point is brought up about poor bama britches.
Seems I've read a lot about people supporting this guy, but have read very little of substance.
Seems to be another corporate candidate, very vague.
Seems I've read a lot about people supporting this guy, but have read very little of substance.
Seems to be another corporate candidate, very vague.
actually listen to him, he never answers anything!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I spoke to Dennis Kucinich. I was going to vote for him and asked him Who he thought I should support with him out. He said Barack Obama!!!!
I know. He does support his fellow dems, even after the way they have mocked him and not taken him seriously this year and 04. He's got a lot of class, that's for sure. But I'm going to have to disagree with him on the Obama support.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
isn't choosing the lesser of 2 evils still choosing an 'evil'?
its kinda like that south park episode; vote the shit sandwich or the giant douche and how some, not saying you, get all mad and take it personal or something if you don't vote the way they think everyone should
i don't see much difference in him, sorry
you've been trying to cut this guy for over 6 months.
so when are you going to post a story that matters about obama? this is obviously a non issue in the national media. (let me guess its the liberal cnn choosing not to make it an issue)
I know. He does support his fellow dems, even after the way they have mocked him and not taken him seriously this year and 04. He's got a lot of class, that's for sure. But I'm going to have to disagree with him on the Obama support.
I agree with you. Tons of class!!! I too would love to see a hardline liberal like Dennis in the whitehouse. But he must have a reason for supporting Barack. And he too obviously has no issue with the Rezco garbage. Likely because everyone realizes that Barack was just trying to do good and has done a ton of charity work within Chicago. He is a VERY small figure in the Rezco scandal. VOTE BARACK 08. Wouldn't it be cool if Barack did something crazy like ask Dennis to be his running mate?
you've been trying to cut this guy for over 6 months.
so when are you going to post a story that matters about obama? this is obviously a non issue in the national media. (let me guess its the liberal cnn choosing not to make it an issue)
Voting for someone just because they're black and you feel the need to boost them up whether or not they deserve it, is more racist to me. Why should a black person get your support over someone of another race who is a better candidate unless you view them as not being able to pull their own weight based on their merit alone? Race has shit to do with it until people like you come along.
Just a thought.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with you. Tons of class!!! I too would love to see a hardline liberal like Dennis in the whitehouse. But he must have a reason for supporting Barack. And he too obviously has no issue with the Rezco garbage. Likely because everyone realizes that Barack was just trying to do good and has done a ton of charity work within Chicago. He is a VERY small figure in the Rezco scandal. VOTE BARACK 08. Wouldn't it be cool if Barack did something crazy like ask Dennis to be his running mate?
I really can't say it enough, this issue was brought up to point out character and dishonesty. I have far bigger bones to pick with Obama. I'm sure Dennis has his reasons and that's cool by me. I'd probably have a few choice questions to ask him if I had the chance but that's beside the point.
Obama would be too chicken shit to ever ask Dennis to be his running mate. And on top of that Dennis would get in the way of Obama's nuclear lobbyists. He would call Obama's healthcare plan half-assed but use nicer phrasing. And they would butt heads like crazy when it comes to foriegn policy. And that's just a few areas where it would never work.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Voting for someone just because they're black and you feel the need to boost them up whether or not they deserve it, is more racist to me. Why should a black person get your support over someone of another race who is a better candidate unless you view them as not being able to pull their own weight based on their merit alone? Race has shit to do with it until people like you come along.
Just a thought.
When has him being black had anything to do with any of us voting for him?
When has him being black had anything to do with any of us voting for him?
It does for some and if that's not the case for you then no need to assume I'm talking about you. I was speaking more to NoCode, who has twice now accused people here of not supporting obama because we are racists.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Voting for someone just because they're black and you feel the need to boost them up whether or not they deserve it, is more racist to me. Why should a black person get your support over someone of another race who is a better candidate unless you view them as not being able to pull their own weight based on their merit alone? Race has shit to do with it until people like you come along.
Just a thought.
I just looked over this thread, and I didn't see anyone saying they're voting for him just because he's black.
That's not to say that his "blackness" isn't history-making; because, even if you absolutely hate the man, you can't deny he's making history. But so is Hillary Clinton.
I hadn't heard about the Kucinich "endorsement" (quotes, because I'm not sure how official it is). If it's true - well, that's pretty cool. Always liked that Kucinich fella. And, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's ever been any bad-blood between them. Specific issue differences, sure (and I'm with Kucinich on single-payer health care); but no animosity. In fact, they usually have some pretty nice things to say about each other.
I just looked over this thread, and I didn't see anyone saying they're voting for him just because he's black.
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i vowed to be done with this thread, but it has taken a turn i can't ignore. To suggest, as some have, that Senator Obama is winning by overwhelming margins in states that are about as white as the landing dock of the Mayflower because he is black, and white voters are afraid of being percieved as racist or are trying to balm their conscience and convince themselves they are not, is about the single most retarded thing i have read in this forum in sometime.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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Where did Obama ever say that he didn't know him at all? In Illinois, a comment like that would be laughable. I started out on the bottom rung on a political campaign in southern Illinois, and even I knew who Tony Rezko was.
I'm not acting like he is the saviour. I'm defending someone I've worked with in the past in the Illinois Senate, and you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I grew up right down the street from where he owned these properties. I voted for him for Senate. What has he done for the people of Illinois? Nothing.
Of course you make your point well when you find the need to drop the F-Bomb to guide your way.
The OP is referring to the debate where Clinton accused him of working with Tony Rezko. That's where he said the five hour comment.
There's nothing wrong with distancing yourself from someone has the background of Rezko. You guys are acting like Obama is jerking Rezko off whenever he opens his mouth. What do you want him to do? He donated the money from Rezko to a charity, said he made a mistake in the land deal, and came clean on working for a total of five hours on a project with ties to Rezko---not even him personally. All of those things together show that yes, there was some sort of relationship. It also shows that he is putting that behind him.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
There is, however, something wrong with being dishonest. There's no way after all the strings that tie these two together that he can say he only worked with the guy for 5 hours. He was covering his ass and frankly, that's a trait I'm tried of seeing in our elected officials. Why not be upfront with the american people? Because he, like most other politicians, figures what we don't know won't hurt us.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
the reason i believe you are voting for Obama is that on your post your location is Obama in 08.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
first, mcCain never said that he would keep teh US in perpetual war, secondly, Obama will NOT bring the troops home in 08. 3, who are you to tell anyone who they should vote for and make them feel that they are the reason that americans are getting their limbs blown up. you are doing the same thing that rep. do by saying if you elect a democrate the terriorist will attack.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
'what i'm basing it on is:
-he was on obama's campaign finance committee for senate
-he gave a fundraiser for obama's senate campaign at his house (is this the same house that was next door to obamas or another one?)
-he raised over $10,000 in donations for obama's senatorial campaign
-obama wrote him a letter of recommendation for his fundraising efforts
-raised even more money for obamas presidential campaign
-so far has given away over $80,000 tha rezko raised for obamas political career
sorry, but i highly dount this guy would raise over 10grand for his senate race and all the other points above and obama NEVER met him. doesn't it seem odd, especially for his senate race he wouldn't meet a guy who raised over 10grand for him??
i'm sure you'd just believe hillary if it were about here, riiiiiiight? oh, wait....i highly doubt you'd believe her and i think you know this
so drop the 'legal work' angle, he knew the guy, he was involved w/ him more than 5hrs of work on a legal case
and plz tell me what year i will be allowed to vote for who i actually like and believe in, ok? b/c supposedly we couldn't do it last time and now you're saying i can't do it this time, either....do ya think maybe in 2012 i won't have to be scared of a republican taking office so much that i am duty bound to vote for the democrat?
it reminds me of that simpsons episode where the aliens dress up like clinton and dole, then even after the US discovering they are space aliens one of them says "you only have a 2 party system here, you HAVE to vote for one of us!" then perot pops out saying to vote for him and everyone laughs at him then votes for one of the space aliens....that's exactly how you guys are acting
keep your shit sandwich and your giant douche, i'll actually vote for change
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If you guys are going to crucify him over it, he should have just kept the money.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Just pointing out dishonesty, that's all. He really should have kept the money because it wouldn't have mattered to you guys one way or the other.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I would try to distance myself from the guy too if I were running for office. If him not being honest about knowing a shady guy is all you have against him...he's doing pretty good.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
If you'd bothered to read this whole thread among others, you'd know that it isn't even close to the only problem I have with supporting him.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I have read the whole thing. While you personally, have bigger issues against him, I don't think this is a make or break issue for Joe Voter.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Never claimed it was but it's definitely worth bringing up verses sweeping it under the rug.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i have NEVER been on the opposote side of a debate with abook and kabong... i need to get my shit ready for this one
details to follow
i don't care, either, cos i never brought up gov blagojevich except where he was mention in an article.
he also wrote a letter of recommendation for him for his campaign work...he acted like he didn't really know the guy...imagine if there were a few links between hillary and jack abramoff like he worked on her senate campaign finance committee, had a fundraiser at his house, gave over $10,000, gave it back, wrote him a letter of recomendation for his fundraising efforts, then a few years later took another $70,000+ and gave that back,,,oh, and also worked on committees where rezko was being a slumlord but did....fuckall...except buy a pretty big house right next door and some land from his wife....
if all this happened w/ hillary you would not believe she just didn't really remember him or never really personally met him, you would see the bullshit w/ her while you give obama a free pass.
and it's not just about this issue that i won't fulfill my message pit duty to vote for obama, it's a lot of things like i already posted and others (like his economic advisor being the guy from citibank/group who called the treasury dept asking for help w/ enron) and all these things are just shrugged off and not really answered other than being told 'i don't care' by you guys
who he associates w/ reflects on his character, as does how honest he is about things...'what a breath of fresh air!!!', my ass!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Oh yeeeah, forgot all about that one.
Seriously. If people are gonna act like this guy is this great symbol of hope and change we've all been waiting for, I'm going to have to call them on it. I don't care how pissy the fanatics get. If they had a leg to stand on then they could engage in civil discourse and rationally discuss our differences instead of acting so angry whenever a dissenting point is brought up about poor bama britches.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Seems I've read a lot about people supporting this guy, but have read very little of substance.
Seems to be another corporate candidate, very vague.
actually listen to him, he never answers anything!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
hoping this election, Obama vs Mccain, will lead to info on anything of substance, by either candidate.
hopin anyway.
I know. He does support his fellow dems, even after the way they have mocked him and not taken him seriously this year and 04. He's got a lot of class, that's for sure. But I'm going to have to disagree with him on the Obama support.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
so when are you going to post a story that matters about obama? this is obviously a non issue in the national media. (let me guess its the liberal cnn choosing not to make it an issue)
I agree with you. Tons of class!!! I too would love to see a hardline liberal like Dennis in the whitehouse. But he must have a reason for supporting Barack. And he too obviously has no issue with the Rezco garbage. Likely because everyone realizes that Barack was just trying to do good and has done a ton of charity work within Chicago. He is a VERY small figure in the Rezco scandal. VOTE BARACK 08. Wouldn't it be cool if Barack did something crazy like ask Dennis to be his running mate?
Voting for someone just because they're black and you feel the need to boost them up whether or not they deserve it, is more racist to me. Why should a black person get your support over someone of another race who is a better candidate unless you view them as not being able to pull their own weight based on their merit alone? Race has shit to do with it until people like you come along.
Just a thought.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I really can't say it enough, this issue was brought up to point out character and dishonesty. I have far bigger bones to pick with Obama. I'm sure Dennis has his reasons and that's cool by me. I'd probably have a few choice questions to ask him if I had the chance but that's beside the point.
Obama would be too chicken shit to ever ask Dennis to be his running mate. And on top of that Dennis would get in the way of Obama's nuclear lobbyists. He would call Obama's healthcare plan half-assed but use nicer phrasing. And they would butt heads like crazy when it comes to foriegn policy. And that's just a few areas where it would never work.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
When has him being black had anything to do with any of us voting for him?
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It does for some and if that's not the case for you then no need to assume I'm talking about you. I was speaking more to NoCode, who has twice now accused people here of not supporting obama because we are racists.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That's not to say that his "blackness" isn't history-making; because, even if you absolutely hate the man, you can't deny he's making history. But so is Hillary Clinton.
I hadn't heard about the Kucinich "endorsement" (quotes, because I'm not sure how official it is). If it's true - well, that's pretty cool. Always liked that Kucinich fella. And, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's ever been any bad-blood between them. Specific issue differences, sure (and I'm with Kucinich on single-payer health care); but no animosity. In fact, they usually have some pretty nice things to say about each other.