Question on Flight 93

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jsand wrote:
    Leftist lunacy at its best. If the US government did shoot the plane down (which there is no evidence of whatsoever), you would blame the deaths of the people on board on the government, not the terrorist assholes who were trying to crash the plane into the White House.

    Disgusting.

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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    I know there is no evidence its just MY OPINION. Its the terrorist fault all the way. But if the government did or was to shoot down a plane do you think its justified? Maybe you should ask more questions about peoples views before you make comments like "disgusting".

    When that plane is being used as a weapon to kill hundreds of more innocent people? Of couse it's justified. In this case, it just didn't happen.
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    blackredyellow wrote:
    wow... wrapped a little tight?


    yeah he must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed. I find left is always the best, you sleep must better at night. ha ha
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    I know there is no evidence its just MY OPINION. Its the terrorist fault all the way. But if the government did or was to shoot down a plane do you think its justified? Maybe you should ask more questions about peoples views before you make comments like "disgusting".


    its disgusting because people who hate bush want everyone to believe his government lied and covered it up.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    blackredyellow wrote:
    wow... wrapped a little tight?


    he's still a little mad b/c i shot him down in the 'we give medals for killing civilians??' thread ;)
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    jsand wrote:
    When that plane is being used as a weapon to kill hundreds of more innocent people? Of couse it's justified. In this case, it just didn't happen.


    Do you have evidence that the plane just went down? If you take what the govenment says to heart than im sorry to say this than your a fool. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you.
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  • Ericastrada
    Ericastrada Posts: 70
    For people that are wondering "where is the plane?", just look at all the pictures from the recent ComAir crash. That aircraft was only traveling at app. 159 MPH and barely even got off the ground. If you see in the pictures, there is hardly any debris that resembles a plane. Now just imagine a plane as large as the one in PA hitting the ground at over 500 miles and hour after falling from a normal cruising alttitude with a full payload of fuel. And you actually expect to be able to recognize that plane from the debris? There's not going to be anything left.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its disgusting because people who hate bush want everyone to believe his government lied and covered it up.

    I would say floowing blindly like a sheep is just as bad as people who question everything.
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its disgusting because people who hate bush want everyone to believe his government lied and covered it up.


    I hate Bush because he lies to us all the time. How am I supose to belive someone who lies to me?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    I hate Bush because he lies to us all the time. How am I supose to belive someone who lies to me?


    did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious
  • Pickr
    Pickr Posts: 161
    I too believe it was shot down, what choice did they have? As said earlier maybe the passengers did fight back and they were shot down anyway. It's sad to think about it. One of the toughest decisions made that day, and one of the toughest missions the fighter pilot will ever have to do.
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    jlew24asu wrote:
    did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious


    2 different lies. 1 has to do with peoples lives and the other has to do with somebody sleeping with someone. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT. So dont try to. No I didnt beleive him when he said he didnt have sex with her
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jlew24asu wrote:
    did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious

    I can answer this... "NO"

    I have a hard time believing any administration, especially the Bush one which has lied and mis-represented the "facts" outright with no reguard or remorse. At least when Clinton blatenly got caught in a lie, he admitted to it. I have very little respect for lying politicians anyway, but I have a little more for ones that at least admit it when they get caught.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its disgusting because people who hate bush want everyone to believe his government lied and covered it up.


    yes, b/c the government <espcially key ppl in this administration> have never lied to us in the past, right?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I can answer this... "NO"

    I have a hard time believing any administration, especially the Bush one which has lied and mis-represented the "facts" outright with no reguard or remorse. At least when Clinton blatenly got caught in a lie, he admitted to it. I have very little respect for lying politicians anyway, but I have a little more for ones that at least admit it when they get caught.


    I agree
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious


    no, it was obvious by the pause between 'that woman' and 'ms lewinski'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    jlew24asu wrote:
    did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious

    No, and I am a big Clinton supporter. He shouldn't have lied. However, these lies are totally different. Like someone else said, this administration is so secretive and so dishonest that it is hard to literally believe anything they say.

    So back to the main topic of this post...

    1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
    2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")

    My answers
    1- Yes
    2- No, I wouldn't fault them at all. It's a tough decision to make, but the loss of life had that hit DC would have been too large to risk. I also believe that the passengers were going to fight the highjackers but didn't have enough time, I still don't know how it is to gain political gain though on the death of those citizens.
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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    El_Kabong wrote:
    he's still a little mad b/c i shot him down in the 'we give medals for killing civilians??' thread ;)

    You didn't "shoot me down"...that comparison is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. Only in the eyes of a certifiable leftist or Islamist could that comparison ring true.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    First and foremost, the mayor didn't "admit" that there was no plane found. The mayor (along with many others) simply said there was not much debris at the crash site. This is not unusual, particularly when a plane crashes at top speed into the ground. However, much debris was recovered from the imapct crater which would not likely exist in the first place if the plane was "shot down".

    These are photos from the response team:

    CRATER 1, CRATER 2, ENGINE
    http://share.shutterfly.com/action/slideshow?a=67b0de21b3221da42540&sid=2AZNWrNq0ZMXNw&auto=0&m=1&d=1158161844712


    The problem with the "shot down" theory is that debris would have been found largely behind the plane's trajectory, rather than in front of it. That was not the case in this event.

    Finally, while I can get on board with the concept that the overall "let's roll" story certainly could have been manufactured as a cover up of a shoot-down or some similar event, I completely reject the claims that the government would have had to cover up a shoot-down in the first place. Few people would have protested such an action following the events of that morning.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsand wrote:
    You didn't "shoot me down"...that comparison is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. Only in the eyes of a certifiable leftist or Islamist could that comparison ring true.


    how so? your reply in it made no points, it took away nothing from the original post
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way

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