RELIGULOUS film, this is gonna be great

69charger · October 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Those folks have their own belief system called evolution.

You are joking, right?

know1 · October 2008

I was sitting in church yesterday and reading the bulletin they pass out. I'd guess that 75% of the information in there was listings about how they are helping people and how others can volunteer to help people more. From care packages to prisoners, to breast cancer support groups, to movements to end modern-day slavery and human trafficking, etc., etc., etc.

It really makes me angry that so many people just make fun of and hate on religion.

keeponrockin · October 2008

know1 wrote:

I was sitting in church yesterday and reading the bulletin they pass out. I'd guess that 75% of the information in there was listings about how they are helping people and how others can volunteer to help people more. From care packages to prisoners, to breast cancer support groups, to movements to end modern-day slavery and human trafficking, etc., etc., etc.

It really makes me angry that so many people just make fun of and hate on religion.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the charitable side of things, at all, in fact, I think thats excellent, but I also believe people would do the same thing without religion, just IMO.

know1 · October 2008

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't think anyone has a problem with the charitable side of things, at all, in fact, I think thats excellent, but I also believe people would do the same thing without religion, just IMO.

Do they, though? At anywhere near the same numbers or percentages? I don't see it.

Anon · October 2008

know1 wrote:

Do they, though? At anywhere near the same numbers or percentages? I don't see it.

You have got to be kidding me. For serious. What do you mean you don't see it? Do you go out and ask people that are volunteering if they are members of a church? How can you even measure that?

know1 · October 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

You have got to be kidding me. For serious. What do you mean you don't see it? Do you go out and ask people that are volunteering if they are members of a church? How can you even measure that?

I walk around in life outside of church activities about 98% of the time and don't see the percentages of people working to help other people like I do when I'm around church folks.

But that's not the point. I think it's pretty shameful how widely the church and religious people are bashed when they are doing so many good things.

Anon · October 2008

know1 wrote:

I walk around in life outside of church activities about 98% of the time and don't see the percentages of people working to help other people like I do when I'm around church folks.

But that's not the point. I think it's pretty shameful how widely the church and religious people are bashed when they are doing so many good things.

If it's not the point, why did you even go there then.
Funnily enough, most people i see or am involved in with any sort of charitable work, don't go around with a sign on them saying i'm from the church.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the religious people are bashed because of ignorant opinions like yours.

know1 · October 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

If it's not the point, why did you even go there then.
Funnily enough, most people i see or am involved in with any sort of charitable work, don't go around with a sign on them saying i'm from the church.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the religious people are bashed because of ignorant opinions like yours.

I went there because you asked me.

Again, my whole point is that the church does a lot of good and gets slammed continually. That's why I think the bulk of the ignorance is on the other side of this one.

Anon · October 2008

know1 wrote:

I went there because you asked me.

Again, my whole point is that the church does a lot of good and gets slammed continually. That's why I think the bulk of the ignorance is on the other side of this one.

The church does do a lot of good work when it comes to helping out others and being charitable. I agree. As for them being slammed, i guess it's like anything. It's not just exclusive to the church.
Cops do good things and get slammed daily. I'd like to think we do good things in my line of work, (critical care paramedic), but we still get slammed for poor response times and anything else someone might want to have a go at us for.

I'm sorry but i don't have the answer as to why.

fugawzi · October 2008

reversedarwinism wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8fPJ6zds8

There are some Larry King interviews in the "related videos" that are good too.

I saw Religulous the day it came out. I liked it a lot. I'm not particularly religious, I was raised catholic, just like Maher. I think even people who are religious can enjoy the movie. It talks about a lot of the extremism in various religions, including Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. The idea is to promote a little doubt and say we don't really know the all the answers. People with an open mind of different beliefs can watch it. Close minded religious fanatics probably won't.

fugawzi · October 2008

know1 wrote:

my whole point is that the church does a lot of good and gets slammed continually. That's why I think the bulk of the ignorance is on the other side of this one.

Churches DO a lot of good sometimes, I agree with you there. To be fair though, you can't leave out some of the not so good things that have come from churches and organized religion. Countless cases of sexual abuse by priests and other religious figures, there have been many cases of donations and contributions being stolen by church figures, forced marriage, and even murder. All things that have happened from church figures. That's why they get slammed sometimes. They are extreme cases but there are many of them.

Chruch is a bureaucracy between yourself and your God. People can believe, worship, pray, etc. without having to go to a church. It's not necessary to believe in a religion to do good things for other people.

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

Non-affiliated charity usually doesn't try to cram some belief systems down people's throats.

Religious types think they are helping by church charity through mission work in underdeveloped countries when essentially they go in and set up churches that require the indigenous people to attend thereby they oppress those people by setting forward a belief system that contradicts the original belief system of the impoverished. Then when the missions leave, the impoverished get slaughtered by the proletariate of their own nation because of the so-called "religious aid" given to them.

know1 · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Non-affiliated charity usually doesn't try to cram some belief systems down people's throats.

Religious types think they are helping by church charity through mission work in underdeveloped countries when essentially they go in and set up churches that require the indigenous people to attend thereby they oppress those people by setting forward a belief system that contradicts the original belief system of the impoverished. Then when the missions leave, the impoverished get slaughtered by the proletariate of their own nation because of the so-called "religious aid" given to them.

There is some truth to that, but there is also a fair amount of ignorance. The charitable activities that I often go to rarely even mention God or religion to anyone.

Strangest Tribe · October 2008

know1 wrote:

There is some truth to that, but there is also a fair amount of ignorance. The charitable activities that I often go to rarely even mention God or religion to anyone.

That's commendable!
I'm certainly not against unconditional charity. That's what it should be all about.
I respect you for that.
It's not my intent to bash your beliefs.

Cosmo · October 2008

know1 wrote:

I was sitting in church yesterday and reading the bulletin they pass out. I'd guess that 75% of the information in there was listings about how they are helping people and how others can volunteer to help people more. From care packages to prisoners, to breast cancer support groups, to movements to end modern-day slavery and human trafficking, etc., etc., etc.

It really makes me angry that so many people just make fun of and hate on religion.

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It's not 'Religion'... so to speak... it's so-called, 'Religious People' that get the brunt of the criticism. The ones who will do charitable deeds as part of church activities... and the rest of the time refer to impoverished people in their own neighborhoods as 'scumbags' and 'free-loaders'. Like those charitable 'Church People' that will run around collecting goods and money to help the needy single mother and her 3 kids at Christmas time... and the rest of the year, she is a whore who doesn't know how to keep her legs shut.
Charity is supposed to be for the people who receive... not the people who give.
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And I was hoping your little story ended with you going down to the local housing project with all of the clothing that your Church had accumulated for its ThanksGiving/Christmas Garage Sale to hand out to the people who need it most.
Oh, well.

Cosmo · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

That's commendable!
I'm certainly not against unconditional charity. That's what it should be all about.
I respect you for that.
It's not my intent to bash your beliefs.

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You either DO charitable things... or you don't. If you need a social circle to convince you to do voluenteer work... is it really voluenteering... or going with the crowd?
You should see a problem... and do something to fix it... even if it's a little money or a bit of your time.
And yes... I meet a lot of really, really nice religious folks out there. Many times they are with a church... which I really don't care about. all I care about is they are another pair of boots on the ground and another pair of hands to help. I don't see them as Christians... I see them as Humans

know1 · October 2008

Cosmo wrote:

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It's not 'Religion'... so to speak... it's so-called, 'Religious People' that get the brunt of the criticism. The ones who will do charitable deeds as part of church activities... and the rest of the time refer to impoverished people in their own neighborhoods as 'scumbags' and 'free-loaders'. Like those charitable 'Church People' that will run around collecting goods and money to help the needy single mother and her 3 kids at Christmas time... and the rest of the year, she is a whore who doesn't know how to keep her legs shut.
Charity is supposed to be for the people who receive... not the people who give.
...
And I was hoping your little story ended with you going down to the local housing project with all of the clothing that your Church had accumulated for its ThanksGiving/Christmas Garage Sale to hand out to the people who need it most.
Oh, well.

Do you have proof that what you say is even prevalent?

(and be careful about making assumptions about others' charitable activities. Some people don't like to talk about it, but those same people might also volunteer 3 months out of the year at a church-affiliated organization that distributes food, clothes and household goods to the needy. In fact, I'm there twice this week. I'm just sayin....)

callen · October 2008

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callen · October 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

I'm certainly not against unconditional charity.

There's not really "unconditional charity", people do charitable work for their own selfish reasons..it makes them feel good, relieves guilt or what ever. There's a reason Church's do lots of charity work as it aligns with the premise of church, religion.

Kind of like "Save You"...its not that you don't want your freind to kill themselves, its cause you don't want to be without them. NOT that this is a bad thing...it just is what it is, animal nature.

Cosmo · October 2008

know1 wrote:

Do you have proof that what you say is even prevalent?

(and be careful about making assumptions about others' charitable activities. Some people don't like to talk about it, but those same people might also volunteer 3 months out of the year at a church-affiliated organization that distributes food, clothes and household goods to the needy. In fact, I'm there twice this week. I'm just sayin....)

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Proof... hmmm... I guess the best I'd be able to offer you is... go to the next Sarah Palin rally and ask them about poor people... you know, like the ones in New Orleans. Or better yet... ask them about that single mother with 3 kids that is living on Welfare. Or maybe... strike it up within your own congregation... or ask yourself, how do YOU feel about the single mother of 3 living on Welfare.
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And remember... I tried Christianity throughout my life... a couple of 3 times. It never stuck. Not because of my unanswered questions about God, Jesus and the Bible... but specifically because of the hypocracy of the people.
Granted, they were nice enough people and stuff... it's just that the words and actions did not sync up. Like, don't be all benevolent and venture into the really poor parts of the city just because it's Christmas... then, curse the same people in mid Summer because your tax dollars are going towards their housing and food. If you don't like them... don't help them and let someone who truely cares do the work.
And YES... the Churches I was in DID charity work... we primarily gave to the people of our choosing... not necessarily the worst off. Meaning, we provided food and clothing and 'household goods' to needy within our community... but, we never went to the barrios of East L.A. or the ghettos of South Central. I remember the food drives and the fund raisers... to repair the tool shed and blacktop the parking lot of the church. And we went out to the local ball field and helped paint the backstops and grandstands. And yeah... it felt good.
So, yeah... the church does good... I never denied that. But, do people do good deeds because it makes them feel good? Like I said, I really don't care if they are doing it for themselves.. as long as they are out there doing it.

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