my whole point is that the church does a lot of good and gets slammed continually. That's why I think the bulk of the ignorance is on the other side of this one.
Churches DO a lot of good sometimes, I agree with you there. To be fair though, you can't leave out some of the not so good things that have come from churches and organized religion. Countless cases of sexual abuse by priests and other religious figures, there have been many cases of donations and contributions being stolen by church figures, forced marriage, and even murder. All things that have happened from church figures. That's why they get slammed sometimes. They are extreme cases but there are many of them.
Chruch is a bureaucracy between yourself and your God. People can believe, worship, pray, etc. without having to go to a church. It's not necessary to believe in a religion to do good things for other people.
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Non-affiliated charity usually doesn't try to cram some belief systems down people's throats.
Religious types think they are helping by church charity through mission work in underdeveloped countries when essentially they go in and set up churches that require the indigenous people to attend thereby they oppress those people by setting forward a belief system that contradicts the original belief system of the impoverished. Then when the missions leave, the impoverished get slaughtered by the proletariate of their own nation because of the so-called "religious aid" given to them.
Non-affiliated charity usually doesn't try to cram some belief systems down people's throats.
Religious types think they are helping by church charity through mission work in underdeveloped countries when essentially they go in and set up churches that require the indigenous people to attend thereby they oppress those people by setting forward a belief system that contradicts the original belief system of the impoverished. Then when the missions leave, the impoverished get slaughtered by the proletariate of their own nation because of the so-called "religious aid" given to them.
There is some truth to that, but there is also a fair amount of ignorance. The charitable activities that I often go to rarely even mention God or religion to anyone.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There is some truth to that, but there is also a fair amount of ignorance. The charitable activities that I often go to rarely even mention God or religion to anyone.
That's commendable!
I'm certainly not against unconditional charity. That's what it should be all about.
I respect you for that.
It's not my intent to bash your beliefs.
I was sitting in church yesterday and reading the bulletin they pass out. I'd guess that 75% of the information in there was listings about how they are helping people and how others can volunteer to help people more. From care packages to prisoners, to breast cancer support groups, to movements to end modern-day slavery and human trafficking, etc., etc., etc.
It really makes me angry that so many people just make fun of and hate on religion.
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It's not 'Religion'... so to speak... it's so-called, 'Religious People' that get the brunt of the criticism. The ones who will do charitable deeds as part of church activities... and the rest of the time refer to impoverished people in their own neighborhoods as 'scumbags' and 'free-loaders'. Like those charitable 'Church People' that will run around collecting goods and money to help the needy single mother and her 3 kids at Christmas time... and the rest of the year, she is a whore who doesn't know how to keep her legs shut.
Charity is supposed to be for the people who receive... not the people who give.
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And I was hoping your little story ended with you going down to the local housing project with all of the clothing that your Church had accumulated for its ThanksGiving/Christmas Garage Sale to hand out to the people who need it most.
Oh, well.
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Hail, Hail!!!
That's commendable!
I'm certainly not against unconditional charity. That's what it should be all about.
I respect you for that.
It's not my intent to bash your beliefs.
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You either DO charitable things... or you don't. If you need a social circle to convince you to do voluenteer work... is it really voluenteering... or going with the crowd?
You should see a problem... and do something to fix it... even if it's a little money or a bit of your time.
And yes... I meet a lot of really, really nice religious folks out there. Many times they are with a church... which I really don't care about. all I care about is they are another pair of boots on the ground and another pair of hands to help. I don't see them as Christians... I see them as Humans
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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It's not 'Religion'... so to speak... it's so-called, 'Religious People' that get the brunt of the criticism. The ones who will do charitable deeds as part of church activities... and the rest of the time refer to impoverished people in their own neighborhoods as 'scumbags' and 'free-loaders'. Like those charitable 'Church People' that will run around collecting goods and money to help the needy single mother and her 3 kids at Christmas time... and the rest of the year, she is a whore who doesn't know how to keep her legs shut.
Charity is supposed to be for the people who receive... not the people who give.
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And I was hoping your little story ended with you going down to the local housing project with all of the clothing that your Church had accumulated for its ThanksGiving/Christmas Garage Sale to hand out to the people who need it most.
Oh, well.
Do you have proof that what you say is even prevalent?
(and be careful about making assumptions about others' charitable activities. Some people don't like to talk about it, but those same people might also volunteer 3 months out of the year at a church-affiliated organization that distributes food, clothes and household goods to the needy. In fact, I'm there twice this week. I'm just sayin....)
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's not really "unconditional charity", people do charitable work for their own selfish reasons..it makes them feel good, relieves guilt or what ever. There's a reason Church's do lots of charity work as it aligns with the premise of church, religion.
Kind of like "Save You"...its not that you don't want your freind to kill themselves, its cause you don't want to be without them. NOT that this is a bad thing...it just is what it is, animal nature.
Do you have proof that what you say is even prevalent?
(and be careful about making assumptions about others' charitable activities. Some people don't like to talk about it, but those same people might also volunteer 3 months out of the year at a church-affiliated organization that distributes food, clothes and household goods to the needy. In fact, I'm there twice this week. I'm just sayin....)
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Proof... hmmm... I guess the best I'd be able to offer you is... go to the next Sarah Palin rally and ask them about poor people... you know, like the ones in New Orleans. Or better yet... ask them about that single mother with 3 kids that is living on Welfare. Or maybe... strike it up within your own congregation... or ask yourself, how do YOU feel about the single mother of 3 living on Welfare.
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And remember... I tried Christianity throughout my life... a couple of 3 times. It never stuck. Not because of my unanswered questions about God, Jesus and the Bible... but specifically because of the hypocracy of the people.
Granted, they were nice enough people and stuff... it's just that the words and actions did not sync up. Like, don't be all benevolent and venture into the really poor parts of the city just because it's Christmas... then, curse the same people in mid Summer because your tax dollars are going towards their housing and food. If you don't like them... don't help them and let someone who truely cares do the work.
And YES... the Churches I was in DID charity work... we primarily gave to the people of our choosing... not necessarily the worst off. Meaning, we provided food and clothing and 'household goods' to needy within our community... but, we never went to the barrios of East L.A. or the ghettos of South Central. I remember the food drives and the fund raisers... to repair the tool shed and blacktop the parking lot of the church. And we went out to the local ball field and helped paint the backstops and grandstands. And yeah... it felt good.
So, yeah... the church does good... I never denied that. But, do people do good deeds because it makes them feel good? Like I said, I really don't care if they are doing it for themselves.. as long as they are out there doing it.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Proof... hmmm... I guess the best I'd be able to offer you is... go to the next Sarah Palin rally and ask them about poor people... you know, like the ones in New Orleans. Or better yet... ask them about that single mother with 3 kids that is living on Welfare. Or maybe... strike it up within your own congregation... or ask yourself, how do YOU feel about the single mother of 3 living on Welfare.
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And remember... I tried Christianity throughout my life... a couple of 3 times. It never stuck. Not because of my unanswered questions about God, Jesus and the Bible... but specifically because of the hypocracy of the people.
Granted, they were nice enough people and stuff... it's just that the words and actions did not sync up. Like, don't be all benevolent and venture into the really poor parts of the city just because it's Christmas... then, curse the same people in mid Summer because your tax dollars are going towards their housing and food. If you don't like them... don't help them and let someone who truely cares do the work.
And YES... the Churches I was in DID charity work... we primarily gave to the people of our choosing... not necessarily the worst off. Meaning, we provided food and clothing and 'household goods' to needy within our community... but, we never went to the barrios of East L.A. or the ghettos of South Central. I remember the food drives and the fund raisers... to repair the tool shed and blacktop the parking lot of the church. And we went out to the local ball field and helped paint the backstops and grandstands. And yeah... it felt good.
So, yeah... the church does good... I never denied that. But, do people do good deeds because it makes them feel good? Like I said, I really don't care if they are doing it for themselves.. as long as they are out there doing it.
What does any of that have to do with your previous absurd comments insinuating that church people call the less fortunate of their community "scumbags" and the like.
Your narrow minded opinions apparently come from your limited experience with one church.
One of the churches I attend sends people to lots of impoverished places. I went on a trip where we stayed in an abandoned building in inner city DC. We saw someone shot down on the street the last morning. The organization that I work with that distributes goods to the poor asks no questions. Whoever shows up on distribution day gets to walk through and take what they need.
And when I curse anything relating to tax dollars it is all about the wasteful way the government is administering it and has nothing to do with those receiving it. I feel private organizations can do a much better job.
Getting back to the main reason I made the comment. It's just really sad to see it denigrated so much when there are plenty of churches and religious people doing a lot of good things without the motives you describe in you narrow minded, ignorant view of things.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
What does any of that have to do with your previous absurd comments insinuating that church people call the less fortunate of their community "scumbags" and the like.
Your narrow minded opinions apparently come from your limited experience with one church.
One of the churches I attend sends people to lots of impoverished places. I went on a trip where we stayed in an abandoned building in inner city DC. We saw someone shot down on the street the last morning. The organization that I work with that distributes goods to the poor asks no questions. Whoever shows up on distribution day gets to walk through and take what they need.
And when I curse anything relating to tax dollars it is all about the wasteful way the government is administering it and has nothing to do with those receiving it. I feel private organizations can do a much better job.
Getting back to the main reason I made the comment. It's just really sad to see it denigrated so much when there are plenty of churches and religious people doing a lot of good things without the motives you describe in you narrow minded, ignorant view of things.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch, there... Rev. Dobson.
I gave you my examples... I have run into MANY church Voluenteers... and like I said... nice enough people... for the most part. But, I have ALSO run into the ones who'll pass judgement on the poor... look at the negative reactions to the people at the Super Dome after Hurricane Katrina... people collecting Welfare checks... Food Stamps... Public Housing... abortions. Many of them are Christians. Christians that are always bitching about theri damn tax dollars... and welfare mothers and 'able bodied' men who are lazy and won't get a job... except at Christmas... where they are all magically transformed into the 'needy' and 'under privileged'. You may deny the existance of these people... but... they are out there.
As for YOUR personal views... you are one of the biggest cry babies when it comes to taxes. You say it is the way it is 'wasted'... wasted on what? Public housing? Welfare? Food stamps? Abortion clinics? Do you think the Private Sector will step up fill in the void? Right. The Private Sector looks out for itself, first... just like the Government. Your tax savings would be spent on you... not where it is needed. Proof? Go to your Church Leaders and let them know that the local public health clinic is in need of funding. See what happens.
Your comical rage is laughable at best... call me what you will... Judge me as you see fit... I really don't care.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
i'm seeing it on the 6th!
the inde theater is playing it here.
I live in West Texas, so I'll be seeing it.... when it comes out on video, I guess. I just haven't heard anything about it in a long time. It should get a big buzz, IMO.
Churches DO a lot of good sometimes, I agree with you there. To be fair though, you can't leave out some of the not so good things that have come from churches and organized religion. Countless cases of sexual abuse by priests and other religious figures, there have been many cases of donations and contributions being stolen by church figures, forced marriage, and even murder. All things that have happened from church figures. That's why they get slammed sometimes. They are extreme cases but there are many of them.
Chruch is a bureaucracy between yourself and your God. People can believe, worship, pray, etc. without having to go to a church. It's not necessary to believe in a religion to do good things for other people.
You forgot to mention all the wars that have been fought for religion. Ridiculous, I mean religulous.
I think it's pretty shameful how widely the church and religious people are bashed when they are doing so many good things.
I think it's pretty shameful when Christian groups try to ban "The history of man" wings in Museums of Science because the views there conflict with their own.
Loved it.
Man created religion and he will destroy the world and blame it on religion. (that HE created)
Pretty much learned that in high school when they taught us about the crusades.
I think Faith and Hope are essential to some people’s survival, but money has corrupted religion.
Great movie. I laughed a lot.
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
I think it's pretty shameful when Christian groups try to ban "The history of man" wings in Museums of Science because the views there conflict with their own.
There's nothing common about sense when it comes to church. Historically the biggest obstacle of discovery and innovation has been the church. I know that religion is pretty much irrelevant these days, but I just wish that I could be around when that sentiment becomes consensus.
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Churches DO a lot of good sometimes, I agree with you there. To be fair though, you can't leave out some of the not so good things that have come from churches and organized religion. Countless cases of sexual abuse by priests and other religious figures, there have been many cases of donations and contributions being stolen by church figures, forced marriage, and even murder. All things that have happened from church figures. That's why they get slammed sometimes. They are extreme cases but there are many of them.
Chruch is a bureaucracy between yourself and your God. People can believe, worship, pray, etc. without having to go to a church. It's not necessary to believe in a religion to do good things for other people.
Religious types think they are helping by church charity through mission work in underdeveloped countries when essentially they go in and set up churches that require the indigenous people to attend thereby they oppress those people by setting forward a belief system that contradicts the original belief system of the impoverished. Then when the missions leave, the impoverished get slaughtered by the proletariate of their own nation because of the so-called "religious aid" given to them.
There is some truth to that, but there is also a fair amount of ignorance. The charitable activities that I often go to rarely even mention God or religion to anyone.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That's commendable!
I'm certainly not against unconditional charity. That's what it should be all about.
I respect you for that.
It's not my intent to bash your beliefs.
It's not 'Religion'... so to speak... it's so-called, 'Religious People' that get the brunt of the criticism. The ones who will do charitable deeds as part of church activities... and the rest of the time refer to impoverished people in their own neighborhoods as 'scumbags' and 'free-loaders'. Like those charitable 'Church People' that will run around collecting goods and money to help the needy single mother and her 3 kids at Christmas time... and the rest of the year, she is a whore who doesn't know how to keep her legs shut.
Charity is supposed to be for the people who receive... not the people who give.
...
And I was hoping your little story ended with you going down to the local housing project with all of the clothing that your Church had accumulated for its ThanksGiving/Christmas Garage Sale to hand out to the people who need it most.
Oh, well.
Hail, Hail!!!
You either DO charitable things... or you don't. If you need a social circle to convince you to do voluenteer work... is it really voluenteering... or going with the crowd?
You should see a problem... and do something to fix it... even if it's a little money or a bit of your time.
And yes... I meet a lot of really, really nice religious folks out there. Many times they are with a church... which I really don't care about. all I care about is they are another pair of boots on the ground and another pair of hands to help. I don't see them as Christians... I see them as Humans
Hail, Hail!!!
Do you have proof that what you say is even prevalent?
(and be careful about making assumptions about others' charitable activities. Some people don't like to talk about it, but those same people might also volunteer 3 months out of the year at a church-affiliated organization that distributes food, clothes and household goods to the needy. In fact, I'm there twice this week. I'm just sayin....)
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's not really "unconditional charity", people do charitable work for their own selfish reasons..it makes them feel good, relieves guilt or what ever. There's a reason Church's do lots of charity work as it aligns with the premise of church, religion.
Kind of like "Save You"...its not that you don't want your freind to kill themselves, its cause you don't want to be without them. NOT that this is a bad thing...it just is what it is, animal nature.
Proof... hmmm... I guess the best I'd be able to offer you is... go to the next Sarah Palin rally and ask them about poor people... you know, like the ones in New Orleans. Or better yet... ask them about that single mother with 3 kids that is living on Welfare. Or maybe... strike it up within your own congregation... or ask yourself, how do YOU feel about the single mother of 3 living on Welfare.
...
And remember... I tried Christianity throughout my life... a couple of 3 times. It never stuck. Not because of my unanswered questions about God, Jesus and the Bible... but specifically because of the hypocracy of the people.
Granted, they were nice enough people and stuff... it's just that the words and actions did not sync up. Like, don't be all benevolent and venture into the really poor parts of the city just because it's Christmas... then, curse the same people in mid Summer because your tax dollars are going towards their housing and food. If you don't like them... don't help them and let someone who truely cares do the work.
And YES... the Churches I was in DID charity work... we primarily gave to the people of our choosing... not necessarily the worst off. Meaning, we provided food and clothing and 'household goods' to needy within our community... but, we never went to the barrios of East L.A. or the ghettos of South Central. I remember the food drives and the fund raisers... to repair the tool shed and blacktop the parking lot of the church. And we went out to the local ball field and helped paint the backstops and grandstands. And yeah... it felt good.
So, yeah... the church does good... I never denied that. But, do people do good deeds because it makes them feel good? Like I said, I really don't care if they are doing it for themselves.. as long as they are out there doing it.
Hail, Hail!!!
What does any of that have to do with your previous absurd comments insinuating that church people call the less fortunate of their community "scumbags" and the like.
Your narrow minded opinions apparently come from your limited experience with one church.
One of the churches I attend sends people to lots of impoverished places. I went on a trip where we stayed in an abandoned building in inner city DC. We saw someone shot down on the street the last morning. The organization that I work with that distributes goods to the poor asks no questions. Whoever shows up on distribution day gets to walk through and take what they need.
And when I curse anything relating to tax dollars it is all about the wasteful way the government is administering it and has nothing to do with those receiving it. I feel private organizations can do a much better job.
Getting back to the main reason I made the comment. It's just really sad to see it denigrated so much when there are plenty of churches and religious people doing a lot of good things without the motives you describe in you narrow minded, ignorant view of things.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Don't get your panties in a bunch, there... Rev. Dobson.
I gave you my examples... I have run into MANY church Voluenteers... and like I said... nice enough people... for the most part. But, I have ALSO run into the ones who'll pass judgement on the poor... look at the negative reactions to the people at the Super Dome after Hurricane Katrina... people collecting Welfare checks... Food Stamps... Public Housing... abortions. Many of them are Christians. Christians that are always bitching about theri damn tax dollars... and welfare mothers and 'able bodied' men who are lazy and won't get a job... except at Christmas... where they are all magically transformed into the 'needy' and 'under privileged'. You may deny the existance of these people... but... they are out there.
As for YOUR personal views... you are one of the biggest cry babies when it comes to taxes. You say it is the way it is 'wasted'... wasted on what? Public housing? Welfare? Food stamps? Abortion clinics? Do you think the Private Sector will step up fill in the void? Right. The Private Sector looks out for itself, first... just like the Government. Your tax savings would be spent on you... not where it is needed. Proof? Go to your Church Leaders and let them know that the local public health clinic is in need of funding. See what happens.
Your comical rage is laughable at best... call me what you will... Judge me as you see fit... I really don't care.
Hail, Hail!!!
the inde theater is playing it here.
I live in West Texas, so I'll be seeing it.... when it comes out on video, I guess. I just haven't heard anything about it in a long time. It should get a big buzz, IMO.
i don't
You forgot to mention all the wars that have been fought for religion. Ridiculous, I mean religulous.
I think it's pretty shameful when Christian groups try to ban "The history of man" wings in Museums of Science because the views there conflict with their own.
Man created religion and he will destroy the world and blame it on religion. (that HE created)
Pretty much learned that in high school when they taught us about the crusades.
I think Faith and Hope are essential to some people’s survival, but money has corrupted religion.
Great movie. I laughed a lot.
There's nothing common about sense when it comes to church. Historically the biggest obstacle of discovery and innovation has been the church. I know that religion is pretty much irrelevant these days, but I just wish that I could be around when that sentiment becomes consensus.
i feel like some kind of a freak.
do you think that's weird? .......to like them both?