Nugent is a coward

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  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    onelongsong wrote:
    he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.

    Umm I hope this is a retalliation for my hookers and coke comment and not what you believe...

    Kerry being there for 4 months and then trying to get out of there is still braver and more noble then Bush, Nugent etc dodging the war all together. Especially with their views on war in general.

    Also the swift boats veterens who claimed Kerry wasn't a war hero were bogus in my eyes. Lots of people believed them but I thought it was a blatent attempt by Karl Rove to distract the public with nonsense that is based in inaccuracies or outright lies. It allows Bush to go on the attack on Kerry in Nam when Kerry was all over Bush about how he didn't have any firsthand war experience. This was the moment I knew Bushy was getting reelected. I learned from 2000 how powerful his politcal machine really is.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.


    Who is this "we" because it's the first I've ever heard of it.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Umm I hope this is a retalliation for my hookers and coke comment and not what you believe...

    Kerry being there for 4 months and then trying to get out of there is still braver and more noble then Bush, Nugent etc dodging the war all together. Especially with their views on war in general.

    Also the swift boats veterens who claimed Kerry wasn't a war hero were bogus in my eyes. Lots of people believed them but I thought it was a blatent attempt by Karl Rove to distract the public with nonsense that is based in inaccuracies or outright lies. It allows Bush to go on the attack on Kerry in Nam when Kerry was all over Bush about how he didn't have any firsthand war experience. This was the moment I knew Bushy was getting reelected. I learned from 2000 how powerful his politcal machine really is.

    Attacking on service in Vietnam is what the Bush/Rove machine does best...

    McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    Somehow, I don't think the nuge was part of the anti-vietnam side of things. I could be wrong. I am pretty sure he's been Mr. - um - "hardassed" conservative his entire life, though; so I don't buy it that his views have changed all that much.

    But that's not the point. The point is, the nuge is a whiny titmouse hypocrite of a human being who simply doesn't have the stones to take what he dishes out. Oh, and his music is tepid, flavorless tripe that doesn't match the bombast that comes out of his mouth - so I'll take any opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights and bash the idiot. Doesn't mean I want him censored.

    i'm not defending him. he's a fantastic family man but he's also a wildman. you may not like his music but millions of others did. as far as i'm concerned; bash him all you want. if that makes you feel like a big person go for it. the man lived the american dream and retired young. i'm sure he'd see you as a whiny piss-ant.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    ledvedderman wrote:
    No, not really. Clinton wasn't enlisted in the armed services and was being drafted in. Bush was enlisted and used his pull so he could get out of doing his JOB.


    That is true, but the fact is that everyone wanted in the reserves during vietnam so they would not have to go. Dan Quayle got in. So did Bush. You pretty much had to be rich and/or connected to get in. So whether or not Bush did what he was supposed to do in the reserves is not the issue. It's whether he supported a war and found a loophole from being subjected to fighting it. He did. And everyone thinks he's a damn war hero. It's pretty easy to start a war when you come from a culture of not even having it cross your mind that you or yours may actually fight one. If he and Dan Quayle supported the war, the least they could have done is subject themselves to the draft, rather than using their own perpetual aristocracy to duck it.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Who is this "we" because it's the first I've ever heard of it.


    because people only see and hear what they want. when the evidence was laid out; you chose not to see it.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    because people only see and hear what they want. when the evidence was laid out; you chose not to see it.

    No, that isn't the case. I watch the big three (CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC) around the clock at my house and I have never even seen anything close to what you are claiming. Not even on Fox.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
    Wow, you're not still spouting stuff from the Swift Boat Liars for Bush, are you? I thought they'd been thoroughly discredited, I didn't even know this was an issue anymore.

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    Wow, you're not still spouting stuff from the Swift Boat Liars for Bush, are you? I thought they'd been thoroughly discredited, I didn't even know this was an issue anymore.

    http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html


    why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
    How many of your friends served under John Kerry's command? If they didn't, why would I be more interested in what they had to say than the men quoted in the article I posted, who DID serve with him?

    That is not a biased website, btw. They take shots equally at both sides.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.

    I would visit a va hospital, but I'm afraid the roof might cave in because of a lack of funding by our "Support Our Troops" President.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine".
    I've looked, but I'm having trouble finding anything on this. Perhaps you could link us with an article, or a picture of this "shrine."
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    onelongsong wrote:
    i'm not defending him. he's a fantastic family man but he's also a wildman. you may not like his music but millions of others did. as far as i'm concerned; bash him all you want. if that makes you feel like a big person go for it. the man lived the american dream and retired young. i'm sure he'd see you as a whiny piss-ant.
    I don't do it to feel like a big man. I do it because it's fun. Probably the same reason he does it.

    Oh, and when people "retire" doesn't impress me. So when you defend him, that one isn't really going to get you very far.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    hippiemom wrote:
    I've looked, but I'm having trouble finding anything on this. Perhaps you could link us with an article, or a picture of this "shrine."
    Aw, hell. He'll probably just come back and say he's actually been there and saw it with his own eyes.
  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    RainDog wrote:
    Aw, hell. He'll probably just come back and say he's actually been there and saw it with his own eyes.

    I bet this shrine includes a homage to Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton too. It's just so totally believable.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gabers wrote:
    I bet this shrine includes a homage to Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton too. It's just so totally believable.


    i believe the "shrine" was printed in time magazine.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    I don't do it to feel like a big man. I do it because it's fun. Probably the same reason he does it.

    Oh, and when people "retire" doesn't impress me. So when you defend him, that one isn't really going to get you very far.

    my first sentence was i'm NOT defending him so i can only assume you have trouble reading.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    How many of your friends served under John Kerry's command? If they didn't, why would I be more interested in what they had to say than the men quoted in the article I posted, who DID serve with him?

    That is not a biased website, btw. They take shots equally at both sides.

    if he wants to pay me to say he's a big war hero i'll repeat it too.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    Aw, hell. He'll probably just come back and say he's actually been there and saw it with his own eyes.

    it amazes me how when someone doesn't have anything intelligent to say they try to put words in my mouth.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hippiemom wrote:
    I've looked, but I'm having trouble finding anything on this. Perhaps you could link us with an article, or a picture of this "shrine."
    ...
    You know you are asking for something that does not exist, right?
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