No, not really. Clinton wasn't enlisted in the armed services and was being drafted in. Bush was enlisted and used his pull so he could get out of doing his JOB.
i seem to remember a news anchor losing his job for making those same claims.
how are you different? you just made a slanderous comment you cannot prove. if you want to set standards for people; then everyone should be held to those same standards; including you.
the draft ended 4 days before i had to report. i was prepared to pull strings to get out of it if the draft hadn't ended. vietnam was lost on the mainland first. if the public isn't supportive; troops don't get the tools or manpower they need so all we do is send fresh bodies for the enemy to shoot.
That was my point actually. It doesn't do any good to attack Kerry on his war record when we don't know what Bush was doing. My Hookers and Coke comment was in repsonse to you saying Kerry shot himself to get out of the war. At least he went.
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That was my point actually. It doesn't do any good to attack Kerry on his war record when we don't know what Bush was doing. My Hookers and Coke comment was in repsonse to you saying Kerry shot himself to get out of the war. At least he went.
he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
It was Dan Rather. And it was quite unfortunate as I like him. It had something with not checking sources on Bushy's National Guard service story that they ran a few years back. I'm sure somenone else can explain better.
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i can't remember his name. he was from 60 minutes or 20/20 or something like that. he showed a bunch of documents and stood by them until they were proven fraudulent. i do remember the name of the person that had motive to distribute fraudulent documents in an attempt to slander bush. his name is kerry.
are you saying that if someone supports war; then they must support EVERY war no matter what the reason for going to war? this is what i'm not understanding about this thread. does it also mean that a person cannot change their views from what they believed when they were 18 years old? i would've pulled strings to get out of the draft (it ended days before i had to report) yet i would go to iraq if i wasn't 51. i have a son in iraq and several nephews there too.
Somehow, I don't think the nuge was part of the anti-vietnam side of things. I could be wrong. I am pretty sure he's been Mr. - um - "hardassed" conservative his entire life, though; so I don't buy it that his views have changed all that much.
But that's not the point. The point is, the nuge is a whiny titmouse hypocrite of a human being who simply doesn't have the stones to take what he dishes out. Oh, and his music is tepid, flavorless tripe that doesn't match the bombast that comes out of his mouth - so I'll take any opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights and bash the idiot. Doesn't mean I want him censored.
It was Dan Rather. And it was quite unfortunate as I like him. It had something with not checking sources on Bushy's National Guard service story that they ran a few years back. I'm sure somenone else can explain better.
i liked dan rather too. it's a shame he never recovered from that scandle.
It was Dan Rather. And it was quite unfortunate as I like him. It had something with not checking sources on Bushy's National Guard service story that they ran a few years back. I'm sure somenone else can explain better.
Ah yes, how could I forget about that. Yeah, he should have checked his sources on that one.
he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
Got any links for this? Aside from the Swift boaters, of course. I'm especially interested in his North Vietnamese "war hero" status.
he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
Umm I hope this is a retalliation for my hookers and coke comment and not what you believe...
Kerry being there for 4 months and then trying to get out of there is still braver and more noble then Bush, Nugent etc dodging the war all together. Especially with their views on war in general.
Also the swift boats veterens who claimed Kerry wasn't a war hero were bogus in my eyes. Lots of people believed them but I thought it was a blatent attempt by Karl Rove to distract the public with nonsense that is based in inaccuracies or outright lies. It allows Bush to go on the attack on Kerry in Nam when Kerry was all over Bush about how he didn't have any firsthand war experience. This was the moment I knew Bushy was getting reelected. I learned from 2000 how powerful his politcal machine really is.
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what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
Who is this "we" because it's the first I've ever heard of it.
Umm I hope this is a retalliation for my hookers and coke comment and not what you believe...
Kerry being there for 4 months and then trying to get out of there is still braver and more noble then Bush, Nugent etc dodging the war all together. Especially with their views on war in general.
Also the swift boats veterens who claimed Kerry wasn't a war hero were bogus in my eyes. Lots of people believed them but I thought it was a blatent attempt by Karl Rove to distract the public with nonsense that is based in inaccuracies or outright lies. It allows Bush to go on the attack on Kerry in Nam when Kerry was all over Bush about how he didn't have any firsthand war experience. This was the moment I knew Bushy was getting reelected. I learned from 2000 how powerful his politcal machine really is.
Attacking on service in Vietnam is what the Bush/Rove machine does best...
Somehow, I don't think the nuge was part of the anti-vietnam side of things. I could be wrong. I am pretty sure he's been Mr. - um - "hardassed" conservative his entire life, though; so I don't buy it that his views have changed all that much.
But that's not the point. The point is, the nuge is a whiny titmouse hypocrite of a human being who simply doesn't have the stones to take what he dishes out. Oh, and his music is tepid, flavorless tripe that doesn't match the bombast that comes out of his mouth - so I'll take any opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights and bash the idiot. Doesn't mean I want him censored.
i'm not defending him. he's a fantastic family man but he's also a wildman. you may not like his music but millions of others did. as far as i'm concerned; bash him all you want. if that makes you feel like a big person go for it. the man lived the american dream and retired young. i'm sure he'd see you as a whiny piss-ant.
No, not really. Clinton wasn't enlisted in the armed services and was being drafted in. Bush was enlisted and used his pull so he could get out of doing his JOB.
That is true, but the fact is that everyone wanted in the reserves during vietnam so they would not have to go. Dan Quayle got in. So did Bush. You pretty much had to be rich and/or connected to get in. So whether or not Bush did what he was supposed to do in the reserves is not the issue. It's whether he supported a war and found a loophole from being subjected to fighting it. He did. And everyone thinks he's a damn war hero. It's pretty easy to start a war when you come from a culture of not even having it cross your mind that you or yours may actually fight one. If he and Dan Quayle supported the war, the least they could have done is subject themselves to the draft, rather than using their own perpetual aristocracy to duck it.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
because people only see and hear what they want. when the evidence was laid out; you chose not to see it.
No, that isn't the case. I watch the big three (CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC) around the clock at my house and I have never even seen anything close to what you are claiming. Not even on Fox.
he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
Wow, you're not still spouting stuff from the Swift Boat Liars for Bush, are you? I thought they'd been thoroughly discredited, I didn't even know this was an issue anymore.
Wow, you're not still spouting stuff from the Swift Boat Liars for Bush, are you? I thought they'd been thoroughly discredited, I didn't even know this was an issue anymore.
why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
How many of your friends served under John Kerry's command? If they didn't, why would I be more interested in what they had to say than the men quoted in the article I posted, who DID serve with him?
That is not a biased website, btw. They take shots equally at both sides.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
I would visit a va hospital, but I'm afraid the roof might cave in because of a lack of funding by our "Support Our Troops" President.
i'm not defending him. he's a fantastic family man but he's also a wildman. you may not like his music but millions of others did. as far as i'm concerned; bash him all you want. if that makes you feel like a big person go for it. the man lived the american dream and retired young. i'm sure he'd see you as a whiny piss-ant.
I don't do it to feel like a big man. I do it because it's fun. Probably the same reason he does it.
Oh, and when people "retire" doesn't impress me. So when you defend him, that one isn't really going to get you very far.
How many of your friends served under John Kerry's command? If they didn't, why would I be more interested in what they had to say than the men quoted in the article I posted, who DID serve with him?
That is not a biased website, btw. They take shots equally at both sides.
if he wants to pay me to say he's a big war hero i'll repeat it too.
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i seem to remember a news anchor losing his job for making those same claims.
That was my point actually. It doesn't do any good to attack Kerry on his war record when we don't know what Bush was doing. My Hookers and Coke comment was in repsonse to you saying Kerry shot himself to get out of the war. At least he went.
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and that is...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
he was there 4 months; got shot 3 times with only flesh wounds; and men from his outfit confessed they knew what was going on. one confessed to shooting him in the leg but he could've only been looking for attention. we really don't know if he did or didn't. what we do know is that kerry is honored by the north vietnamese as a war hero. his picture proudly displayed in their "shrine". in their eyes; he won the war for them.
It was Dan Rather. And it was quite unfortunate as I like him. It had something with not checking sources on Bushy's National Guard service story that they ran a few years back. I'm sure somenone else can explain better.
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
i can't remember his name. he was from 60 minutes or 20/20 or something like that. he showed a bunch of documents and stood by them until they were proven fraudulent. i do remember the name of the person that had motive to distribute fraudulent documents in an attempt to slander bush. his name is kerry.
But that's not the point. The point is, the nuge is a whiny titmouse hypocrite of a human being who simply doesn't have the stones to take what he dishes out. Oh, and his music is tepid, flavorless tripe that doesn't match the bombast that comes out of his mouth - so I'll take any opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights and bash the idiot. Doesn't mean I want him censored.
i liked dan rather too. it's a shame he never recovered from that scandle.
Ah yes, how could I forget about that. Yeah, he should have checked his sources on that one.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Umm I hope this is a retalliation for my hookers and coke comment and not what you believe...
Kerry being there for 4 months and then trying to get out of there is still braver and more noble then Bush, Nugent etc dodging the war all together. Especially with their views on war in general.
Also the swift boats veterens who claimed Kerry wasn't a war hero were bogus in my eyes. Lots of people believed them but I thought it was a blatent attempt by Karl Rove to distract the public with nonsense that is based in inaccuracies or outright lies. It allows Bush to go on the attack on Kerry in Nam when Kerry was all over Bush about how he didn't have any firsthand war experience. This was the moment I knew Bushy was getting reelected. I learned from 2000 how powerful his politcal machine really is.
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
Who is this "we" because it's the first I've ever heard of it.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Attacking on service in Vietnam is what the Bush/Rove machine does best...
McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
i'm not defending him. he's a fantastic family man but he's also a wildman. you may not like his music but millions of others did. as far as i'm concerned; bash him all you want. if that makes you feel like a big person go for it. the man lived the american dream and retired young. i'm sure he'd see you as a whiny piss-ant.
That is true, but the fact is that everyone wanted in the reserves during vietnam so they would not have to go. Dan Quayle got in. So did Bush. You pretty much had to be rich and/or connected to get in. So whether or not Bush did what he was supposed to do in the reserves is not the issue. It's whether he supported a war and found a loophole from being subjected to fighting it. He did. And everyone thinks he's a damn war hero. It's pretty easy to start a war when you come from a culture of not even having it cross your mind that you or yours may actually fight one. If he and Dan Quayle supported the war, the least they could have done is subject themselves to the draft, rather than using their own perpetual aristocracy to duck it.
because people only see and hear what they want. when the evidence was laid out; you chose not to see it.
No, that isn't the case. I watch the big three (CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC) around the clock at my house and I have never even seen anything close to what you are claiming. Not even on Fox.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html
why not visit a va hospital? my information comes from the people that were there. don't forget i'm vietnam era and it was my friends getting shot and killed there.
That is not a biased website, btw. They take shots equally at both sides.
I would visit a va hospital, but I'm afraid the roof might cave in because of a lack of funding by our "Support Our Troops" President.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Oh, and when people "retire" doesn't impress me. So when you defend him, that one isn't really going to get you very far.
I bet this shrine includes a homage to Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton too. It's just so totally believable.
i believe the "shrine" was printed in time magazine.
my first sentence was i'm NOT defending him so i can only assume you have trouble reading.
if he wants to pay me to say he's a big war hero i'll repeat it too.
it amazes me how when someone doesn't have anything intelligent to say they try to put words in my mouth.
You know you are asking for something that does not exist, right?
Hail, Hail!!!