Kids will be kids

gue_barium wrote:

... then there may be some that disagree with the protesters, and are afraid to say so?

i'm scared

gue_barium wrote:

Now, now, don't worry yourself there abook, you can disagree with the protesters and still have one true god in jesus.

you just have to think real hard about how to explain it.

what a relief!


but i'm still too scared.

decides2dream wrote:

so much for freedom of religion eh? ahhhhhhh....only when you believe what *they* believe. i forgot that.


damn.

reminds me of an episode of the 700 club i saw when they were taing the 10 commandments out of that courthouse and they were crying about how christianity was under attack and blah blah blah, what about freedom of religion....then the next segment was about how horrible it was that the military was going to recognize wicca and some other religions

gue_barium wrote:

I'm guessing that some of the Christians on this board agree with the "protesters", but are afraid to say so.

How come the separation of church and state crowd isn't denouncing the Hindu prayer in the senate?

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Is it just me or do fundamentalists christians seem to search for opportunities to make asses out of themselves?

No, it's not you. I was part of that whole scene a while ago and got out because of stuff like this. I still hold onto my faith (I agree with the protestors in THEORY - not their tactics), but I can't stand the way fundamentalists are always looking for a fight. It seems like the message of love, tolerance and harmony gets lost the holier people think they are...

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Nicely phrased.

In response again to Know1:

Freedom of religion is, at it's best, acceptance of all religion rather than exclusion. I prefer a world where congress lets a Hindu say a prayer for them to a world where that huge chunk of our culture called religion is shut out.

I agree. I'd prefer for religion to be allowed in government and I don't think it should be exclusionary.

boy it would be great if everyone could just respect other cultures.

Think it's crap? Great. Keep it too yourself. No one is converting to your religion if this is the ridiculous classless behavior you are using as an example.

It's primarily the reason many campus outreach programs end up resembling cults.

You don't have to agree with all the other religions, but show some class and respect. Hindu's aren't going into Churches and shouting BOLLOCKS!!! It just makes the students look like idiots, on the same level as Fred Phelps.

I mean honestly, I think fundamentalism of all kinds essentially = zero thought process and essentially stupid people, but I'm not walking into their churches and telling them that, nor am I rude to the people out at night with mega phones telling everyone they are going to hell.

Live and let live, act respectful whether or not other people respect you.

El_Kabong wrote:

reminds me of an episode of the 700 club i saw when they were taing the 10 commandments out of that courthouse and they were crying about how christianity was under attack and blah blah blah, what about freedom of religion....then the next segment was about how horrible it was that the military was going to recognize wicca and some other religions

seriously...sometimes you watch and hear the words come out of some mouths and often wonder...do they even know the true meaning of what they're saying?



honestly, at times some will speak with such impassioned fervor such statements as you mention above...and my first reaction is to shake my head and laugh ...but then i am simply saddened that some so terribly don't *get* what all those freedoms are really about.


not too long ago my mother sent me along one of those e-mail forwars, about some guy...i can't remember who...who fought so hard to preserve the 1o commandments display, etc....and it said to forward it on to everyone...blah, blah, blah. i politely sent it back to her with a short response saying that basically i disagree with their display, seperation of church and state...yada, yada, yada...so yea, basically, i thought the guy was wrong, and no, i won't be forwarding it onwards. :rolleyes: hahaha. oh my.



oh, and for know1? i think...in regards to those of us who DO support the seperation of church and state...you're right of course. basically, i think ALL of it has no place in our government...no matter the religion. if i had my way, that's how it would be...b/c imho i think religion and government have ZERO business being in bed together. however, since i don't have that say...and religion is still entwined in many ways....and prayer is utilized...well then, i think if a christian prayer is allowable, sure...i think a hindu one is just as acceptable...muslim...jewish...whatever. so sure, IF prayer or whatever else of a religion nature is going to eek into our government, hell yes, i at the very least support equal time for em all.



btw - pacomc79.....great post.

know1 wrote:

I agree. I have no problem with the Hindu prayer at the Senate, but some people adamantly espouse that religion should be strictly banned from government.

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I think you got that a little mixed up...
People don't care if our elected leaders have religious beliefs... we just don't want them to pass legislation that we must obey based upon their religion.
We also think that it's easier to keep all religious symbols from tax payer operations, than to allow every religion to post their religious symbols in public buildings on the tax payer's dime. If you are going to allow the Ten Commandmants and Crosses in court houses, then you must also allow the construction of the Star Of David, the Crescent Moon, the Ying and Yang, the Pentangle, and every other religious symbol that represents every other religion that exists in this nation.