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know1 wrote:

I agree. I have no problem with the Hindu prayer at the Senate, but some people adamantly espouse that religion should be strictly banned from government.

Those people are... some combination of the words 'naive', 'ignorant', 'stupid', 'reactive',... can't quite place it. It's those kinds of people and the ultra-christians on the other end that are slowly destroying our culture.

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Cosmo wrote:

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I think you got that a little mixed up...
People don't care if our elected leaders have religious beliefs... we just don't want them to pass legislation that we must obey based upon their religion.
We also think that it's easier to keep all religious symbols from tax payer operations, than to allow every religion to post their religious symbols in public buildings on the tax payer's dime. If you are going to allow the Ten Commandmants and Crosses in court houses, then you must also allow the construction of the Star Of David, the Crescent Moon, the Ying and Yang, the Pentangle, and every other religious symbol that represents every other religion that exists in this nation.

See folks...it's really that simple.

Pearl Jam and toast

Cosmo wrote:

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I think you got that a little mixed up...
People don't care if our elected leaders have religious beliefs... we just don't want them to pass legislation that we must obey based upon their religion.
We also think that it's easier to keep all religious symbols from tax payer operations, than to allow every religion to post their religious symbols in public buildings on the tax payer's dime. If you are going to allow the Ten Commandmants and Crosses in court houses, then you must also allow the construction of the Star Of David, the Crescent Moon, the Ying and Yang, the Pentangle, and every other religious symbol that represents every other religion that exists in this nation.

The next time that 10 commandments thing springs up someone should say "Fine, I'll put my crescent moon right next to it." and see what happens.

Good post.

know1

Cosmo wrote:

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I think you got that a little mixed up...
People don't care if our elected leaders have religious beliefs... we just don't want them to pass legislation that we must obey based upon their religion.
We also think that it's easier to keep all religious symbols from tax payer operations, than to allow every religion to post their religious symbols in public buildings on the tax payer's dime. If you are going to allow the Ten Commandmants and Crosses in court houses, then you must also allow the construction of the Star Of David, the Crescent Moon, the Ying and Yang, the Pentangle, and every other religious symbol that represents every other religion that exists in this nation.

Sounds pretty intolerant to me.

Anyway, we were talking about having an Hindu prayer in a Senate meeting. Where does that fall in your scenario? Is it too expensive to let all religions pray? It's definitely not forcing anyone to listen to it.

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

Sounds pretty intolerant to me.

Anyway, we were talking about having an Hindu prayer in a Senate meeting. Where does that fall in your scenario? Is it too expensive to let all religions pray? It's definitely not forcing anyone to listen to it.

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I'm not sure what you see as intolerant. I don't care what a politician's religion is... be it Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist. I just don't want them to pass laws of the land... that you and I must obey... based upon their religious beliefs. It sound like you would be okay with a law that was based on Islamic law... if this were a predominantly Muslim nation. I wouldn't... I guess that makes me intolerant... to which, I would agree.
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As for Hindu prayers in a Senate Meeting... If Christian Prayer is allowed.. then Hindu prayer should be allowed for Hindus... as well as Muslim prayers for Muslims... and Satanic Ritual Prayers for Satan Worshipers.
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Finally... I said nothing about expense. I simply, said that IF you allow the Ten Commandments and Crosses in Public Buildings, such as court houses, then you MUST also allow Stars of David, Crescent Moons and Pentangles in those courthouses, too. You may be okay with that... I think it's a waste and the taxes used to erect and maintain these symbols would be better spent on giving hungry people a meal to eat.

know1

Cosmo wrote:

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I'm not sure what you see as intolerant. I don't care what a politician's religion is... be it Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist. I just don't want them to pass laws of the land... that you and I must obey... based upon their religious beliefs. It sound like you would be okay with a law that was based on Islamic law... if this were a predominantly Muslim nation. I wouldn't... I guess that makes me intolerant... to which, I would agree.
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As for Hindu prayers in a Senate Meeting... If Christian Prayer is allowed.. then Hindu prayer should be allowed for Hindus... as well as Muslim prayers for Muslims... and Satanic Ritual Prayers for Satan Worshipers.
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Finally... I said nothing about expense. I simply, said that IF you allow the Ten Commandments and Crosses in Public Buildings, such as court houses, then you MUST also allow Stars of David, Crescent Moons and Pentangles in those courthouses, too. You may be okay with that... I think it's a waste and the taxes used to erect and maintain these symbols would be better spent on giving hungry people a meal to eat.

I don't mind lawmakers passing laws based upon religious beliefs, but I do mind them passing laws that force religious beliefs.

The intolerance comment was due to the fact that because the symbols are religious, they shouldn't be allowed. If the symbols weren't religious, that's OK?

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

I don't mind lawmakers passing laws based upon religious beliefs, but I do mind them passing laws that force religious beliefs.

The intolerance comment was due to the fact that because the symbols are religious, they shouldn't be allowed. If the symbols weren't religious, that's OK?

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I don't care... as long as ALL reigions are allowed.
What do you think the chances are of a Star Of David being placed in a court house in Alabama. Better yet, a Crescent Moon of Islam in your local court house... how about a nice goat's head Pentangle? Paid for by with your taxes.
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If anything... I'd MUCH rather see a copy of the Bill Of Rights in our court house lobbies, rather than the Ten Commandments... next to the Star Of David and the Crescent moon of Islam and the Ying and Yang and the Shiva and the Goat's Head Pentangle. So, yeah... if you look at me that way... I'm intolerant.

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Cosmo wrote:

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...and Satanic Ritual Prayers for Satan Worshipers.

That's not what Satanism is about. It's about narcicism and being as ultimately selfish as possible. Come to think of it, sounds like most politicians are satanists :rolleyes:

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

I don't mind lawmakers passing laws based upon religious beliefs, but I do mind them passing laws that force religious beliefs.

The intolerance comment was due to the fact that because the symbols are religious, they shouldn't be allowed. If the symbols weren't religious, that's OK?

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You are okay with lawmakers passing laws based on religious beliefs... as long as they are Christian. What if the laws were based upon Islamic beliefs... or Wiccan Beliefs?
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I don't care about symbols... as long as either ALL religions are allowed or none of them. You cannot just represent one religion.
What do you think the chances are of a Star Of David being placed in a court house in Alabama. Better yet, a Crescent Moon of Islam in your local court house... how about a nice goat's head Pentangle? Paid for by with your taxes.
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If anything... I'd MUCH rather see a copy of the Bill Of Rights in our court house lobbies, rather than the Ten Commandments... next to the Star Of David and the Crescent Moon of Islam and the Ying and Yang and the Shiva and the Goat's Head Pentangle. So, yeah... if you look at me that way... I'm intolerant.